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My only concern is with the Hungarians being pan-turanists

Originally Posted by Tvoi_Vrag

My only concern is with the Hungarians being pan-turanists

And some of them are proud of it.
For those which don't know what pan-turanism mean : Pan-Turanism - Armeniapedia.org

That is something about cultural/linguistic similarity with Turks. In short - some kind of new Turkish Imperialism.

Crazy stuff.

Pfft. Pan Turkism is just stupid most of the examples they site weren't Turks at all they were white.
Ancient Sumeria was white for example. For that matter so were the Parthians.

Originally Posted by SRBSKA SPARTA

And some of them are proud of it.
For those which don't know what pan-turanism mean : Pan-Turanism - Armeniapedia.org

That is something about cultural/linguistic similarity with Turks. In short - some kind of new Turkish Imperialism.

Crazy stuff.

That link is not really correct, and why even use Armeniapedia as a source when it comes to this matter? It would be like using Jew.org to learn about the Holocaust.

To clear things up, here is some information about this "Hungarian Turanism", a lot of the stuff you hear is just anti-Hungarian and anti-Jobbik propaganda. (Usually comes from the 3 Bs, Bucharest, Bratislava and Belgrade)

Jobbik urges government to protect domestic industry, favor economic ties with Russia, Iran - Realdeal.hu

The radical nationalist Jobbik party wants the government to give preference to Hungarian industry in public procurements and forge closer industrial ties with Russia, Turkey, Iran and China, a party official said on Wednesday.Favouring domestic products in public procurements would follow the western European model, while the ensuing taxes would boost the central budget, the party’s deputy parliamentary group leader Janos Volner told a news conference.The government should cede its “unilateral dependence on western economies” and seek to strengthen industrial, technological cooperation with other countries in the East, he said.Well-trained engineers used in the past to develop Hungarian products at home but now the country has become “a country of cheap labour,” he said.

Interview with Gábor Vona about Turkey, China and the Zionist lobby

In what extent can Jobbik program be called European after shifting to the East?
This is important, but less relevant for me. I'm worrying that Western Europe looses its Christian and European character; in many respects, I see the changes already irreversible, but my focus is Hungary. This country is our home and Hungarians form a nation. I'm going to work and fight for what is good for us. Whether our program is European or not, doesn't concern me. It should be Hungarian, I pledged allegiance to this program. I owe a responsibility to nobody but Hungarians.

Jobbik - The Movement for a Better Hungary

Hungary stands desperately lonesome in the arena of world politics. Because of the problems we face in international politics, we are in dire need of close and supportive alliances. However, we have no allies. And, no one should foolishly believe that the attempts of the last 20 years to corral us into NATO and the EU, have alleviated the pains of our isolation. Our seemingly benign alliance with the Euro-Atlantic community, which appeared to offer a protective umbrella, has put us in an even more indentured and powerless position. Now, we are not just alone, but we are also obliged to stay that way.

Pan Turanism mean EXACTLY what it mean on wikipedia , armeniapedia or Cartoon pedia , doesn't matter.

You know VERY well what it mean and instead to condemn it you try to find guilt in other place.

So its Belgrade's fault for pan-turanism in Hungary?

To sum up - noone accuse you for turanism but many of you proudly support it.

To be fair , there are many Christian , anti-turkish Hungarians also.

Originally Posted by SRBSKA SPARTA

Pan Turanism mean EXACTLY what it mean on wikipedia , armeniapedia or Cartoon pedia , doesn't matter.

You know VERY well what it mean and instead to condemn it you try to find guilt in other place.

So its Belgrade's fault for pan-turanism in Hungary?

To sum up - noone accuse you for turanism but many of you proudly support it.

To be fair , there are many Christian , anti-turkish Hungarians also.

Have a guess about why some Hungarians are into Turanism?
Don't forget, there are also Christian Hungarians who support it.
There must be a reason for this.

If you want to see how serious Turanism here is
http://www.hungarianambiance.com/201...azakh-and.html

http://esbalogh.typepad.com/hungaria...y%C3%B6si.html

And here is a park in Szigetvár:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...v%C3%A1r_3.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...2C_Hungary.jpg

Why must this be? What do you think is causing this?

Don't forget, there are also Christian Hungarians who support it.
There must be a reason for this.

Simple they have no idea what they are talking about.

Originally Posted by Magyar

Why must this be? What do you think is causing this?

Why? I don't know.
But I presume you will say because of "oppression" of Hungarian minorities in all neighboring countries?

It's funny. No matter what evil is upon me an my nation (and believe me that is some huge evil) I would never seek for ally in Turks. NEVER. Neither any islamic nation for that matter.

It's just matter of hygiene.

Originally Posted by Astragoth

Simple they have no idea what they are talking about.

Many feel that the West is not their friend, and neither is the rest of Europe.
It is true though, nobody did anything in 1956, in 1920, and times before.

Our only friends nowadays are Poland and Croatia, maybe Germany.
But Germany is under control of the ZOG, and same thing is happening to Poland and Croatia, especially after Croatia was forced to submit it's heroes like Gotovina.

Originally Posted by SRBSKA SPARTA

Why? I don't know.
But I presume you will say because of "oppression" of Hungarian minorities in all neighboring countries?

It's funny. No matter what evil is upon me an my nation (and believe me that is some huge evil) I would never seek for ally in Turks. NEVER. Neither any islamic nation for that matter.

It's just matter of hygiene.

I wouldn't ally myself with certain nations due to a matter of hygiene either.

Originally Posted by Magyar

I wouldn't ally myself with certain nations due to a matter of hygiene either.

I know you wouldn't

Originally Posted by Magyar

heroes like Gotovina..

Child killer Gotovina is much better solution indeed.

Originally Posted by Magyar

To clear things up, here is some information about this "Hungarian Turanism", a lot of the stuff you hear is just anti-Hungarian and anti-Jobbik propaganda. (Usually comes from the 3 Bs, Bucharest, Bratislava and Belgrade)

This is quite true. Which is why I was a bit suprised at Jobbik's naive position on deeming the Turkish population of Cyprus as the true supporters of peace, and condemning the ethnic Greeks who comprise nearly 80% of the country for not supporting the grand plan of a former Ghanian diplomat.

For the leaders of Jobbik to support Kofi Annan's plan and simply dismiss the real security concerns felt by the vast majority of Greek Cypriots unfortunately reinforces this suspicion. The only country that recognizes the occupied northern territory of Cyprus is well... the country who invaded Cyprus in 1974. Turkey. Hungarian Jobbik Party Against Economic and Political Isolation of Northern-Cyprus

Jobbik's rise is encouraging and I am supportive of their manifesto declaration for national self-determination and social justice. The international left's denunciation is not suprising considering Jobbik's stated policy of Hungarian national unity and its foreign affairs policy.

With the United States we intend developing the kind of bilateral relationship, which consistently and transparently promotes our national interests. We shall also widen diplomatic relations with Arab nations, and will promote the creation of an independent Palestinian state, moreover, we shall accept a greater role in promoting the continued existence of Christian communities in the Middle-East. In the case of Central Asian nations, we shall reinforce the development of political and economic relations on the basis of cultural relationships, given our ancient kinship with the peoples of that region.

Originally Posted by Christopher

This is quite true. Which is why I was a bit suprised at Jobbik's naive position on deeming the Turkish population of Cyprus as the true supporters of peace, and condemning the ethnic Greeks who comprise nearly 80% of the country for not supporting the grand plan of a former Ghanian diplomat.

For the leaders of Jobbik to support Kofi Annan's plan and simply dismiss the real security concerns felt by the vast majority of Greek Cypriots unfortunately reinforces this suspicion. The only country that recognizes the occupied northern territory of Cyprus is well... the country who invaded Cyprus in 1974. Turkey. Hungarian Jobbik Party Against Economic and Political Isolation of Northern-Cyprus

Jobbik's rise is encouraging and I am supportive of their manifesto declaration for national self-determination and social justice. The international left's denunciation is not suprising considering Jobbik's stated policy of Hungarian national unity and its foreign affairs policy.

Cyprus is complicated. There is supposed to be a huge supply of natural gas in the area.

Greece and especially their friends, Israel, want the gas. In fact, Egypt has just cut off Israel from their natural gas supply.

What more can I say. Who gets the gas? Israel or Turkey? Maybe Turkey will have natural gas for Hungary?

It is a complicated world today.

Originally Posted by SRBSKA SPARTA

I know you wouldn't

Child killer Gotovina is much better solution indeed.

Child Killer Gotovina? Croatia got attacked by your country, and they responded and fought for their freedom.
Gotovina is a hero to the Croatian nation, and needs to be pardoned as soon as possible.

He has his support from Hungary.