Thread: Why would the tea party be losing popularity?

The Tea Party is losing popularity because it has become afraid to truly represent it's members. Let's face it, the Tea Party is a white movement, just as the Republican Party is white, but they wont' dare admit it. It's very frustrating to me. How much time has the Tea Party spent steppin' and fetchin' to the Marxist fiddler's tune of "racism"? How much time have they spent conjuring up a black or hispanic faces to represent what is clearly white? Why are they ashamed to be white? It's like we can't have a voice or common interest! Wealth redistribution programs, high taxes, mass immigration, affirmative action, all that's definitely important, but it's not is REALLY behind the movement. My gut tells me that what's really behind it is the fear whites have of losing their the very country their fathers settled and defended FOR THEM. It's like they are waking up from an aweful hangover and seeing what a pickle they have put their children in. If the TP would just be honest, stop minority pandering, and come out against WHITE CHIDLREN BECOMING A HATED MINORITY AND SECOND CLASS CITIZENS IN THE VERY LANDS THEIR FATHERS CONQUERED FOR THEM, they would get tons of support. ]






NEWS ANALYSIS: Why is the Tea Party Losing Popularity?
July 8th, 2011 @ 10:30am
By Con Psarras


SALT LAKE CITY -- A recent poll suggests the Tea Party's kettle may be losing some steam, and it begs the question of what exactly about the movement is turning off some voters?
There are all kinds of potential answers, but let's explore one in particular: Is the movement's essential message wearing thin with people who are hungry for a more constructive discussion of national and local issues?
It was, after all, born as a protest movement, coalescing around concerns over the government's bail out of banks and other businesses during the financial crisis of 2008. As such, the Tea Party message has been inherently antagonistic. Phrases like "Don't tread on me" and "Let's take our country back" are rhetorically combative and confrontational.
By nature, such is the vocabulary of protest movements. "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids have you killed today?" is an example of 1960s anti-war sloganeering that even those sympathetic to the movement found over-the-top. Related:
New BYU poll suggests tea party influence on the decline
The influence of the tea party movement on Utah voters is on the decline with all but the strongest Republicans, a new poll shows.

Almost by default, or by no fault of its own, the Tea Party movement has become the anti-everything-government movement. Pull up a list of Tea Party positions and you'll notice it tilts heavily toward what the movement opposes, over what it might support. That's simply the nature of it, and it may rub coarsely against the grain of a growing ethic among voters that calls for problem-solving over finger-pointing.
A watershed Gallup Poll earlier this year identified strong support for a collaborative and bipartisan atmosphere to descend over Washington. Nearly four out of five Republicans said at the time it is either "very important" or "extremely important" that the Republican-dominated House of Representatives work "with President Obama and the Democratic leadership in the Senate to pass new legislation that both parties can agree on."
In the current negotiations over budget reduction and the debt ceiling, the most intransigent, take-no-prisoners rhetoric is coming from the Tea Party camp. Locally, the same camp produced the loudest and most strident opposition to the so-called "guest worker" immigration bill. And the movement tends to carry itself with an almost menacing swagger when it boasts of having gotten rid of politicians like former Senator Bob Bennett.
Certainly, Tea Party stalwarts will view this analysis as another example of hostile media trying to smear a movement that runs counter to the media's liberal nature. But the poll by BYU's Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy is nonetheless an indication the Tea Party message is increasingly being perceived as too shrill, too narrow and too negative. In other words, in this case, the message is not the medium, it really is the message.


THE REASON may be due to the lack of long term vision of the party's principles. A balanced budget ,economic reforms do not inspire those who will least benefit from these changes. The people want true reform: meaning the end to all unconstitutional legislation , a return to a pro-america foreign policy, and a return to good schools and a public education system that provides our youth with a chance to put their talents to work.[/QUOTE]

Virgil Cain, welcome to the community. You've gotten to the root of the issue - Tea Parties are implicitly White. A lot of those members were hoping, perhaps many of them subconsciously, that it would turn into a mainstream pro-White movement. When a movement stops growing and evolving with its members (White America IS waking up), the membership starts to look for new outlets for their bottled-up decades of pro-White sentiment.

Popularity is a subjective condition, subject to various contingencies. no one can know the reason behind the popularity of one party or ideology at any one given time. the masses are fickle.

I suspect that the tea party is not becoming unpopular, as we would translate the word but experiencing bouts of anxiety.

Some of it may be due to the budget wrangling . Keep in mind that some of these proposed cutbacks the reps. are demanding for will cut deep into the pockets of many tea party enthusiasts.

The tea party and their newly found strength with the rep mainstream is pretty heady stuff. and with it goes a sense of anxiety as to what to do with this political power. What comes next. Anxiety gives way to impatience and when things seem to be going slow ,there's a sense of displeasure.

Remember the american people invented impatience. We need to learn how to bide our time .

I really believe that the drug and private medical insurance companies and interests used the Tea Party Movement to fan resistance to any health care changes, and subsequently packed up their tents and went home. I'm not saying I wanted "Obamacare", but this is something I thought was going on at the time, that they threw money, support and publicity into the movement.

Originally Posted by lewiswestgard

I really believe that the drug and private medical insurance companies and interests used the Tea Party Movement to fan resistance to any health care changes, and subsequently packed up their tents and went home. I'm not saying I wanted "Obamacare", but this is something I thought was going on at the time, that they threw money, support and publicity into the movement.

I think you're right. But healthcare is another subject . we need reform ,but that also would be impossible given the demographics involved.

Originally Posted by count markovalley

Popularity is a subjective condition, subject to various contingencies. no one can know the reason behind the popularity of one party or ideology at any one given time. the masses are fickle.

I suspect that the tea party is not becoming unpopular, as we would translate the word but experiencing bouts of anxiety.

The decline in the popularity of the "Tea Party" was forseen. As was the case with President-elect Obama. The Tea Party's popularity is almost completely contingent on the legislative accomplishments of the Republican controlled House of Representatives. There is little on this front.

What is more telling of the Tea Party as a new political force rather than its cosmetic popularity is that the liberal media pundits have all to a man and woman ceased using the childish homosexual-tinged "Teabagger" euphemism. They now view the movement as something to be taken seriously, and not casually dismissed.

Originally Posted by Christopher

The decline in the popularity of the "Tea Party" was forseen. As was the case with President-elect Obama. The Tea Party's popularity is almost completely contingent on the legislative accomplishments of the Republican controlled House of Representatives. There is little on this front.

What is more telling of the Tea Party as a new political force rather than its cosmetic popularity is that the liberal media pundits have all to a man and woman ceased using the childish homosexual-tinged "Teabagger" euphemism. They now view the movement as something to be taken seriously, and not casually dismissed.

The liberal media may be taking the Tea Party as a new political force ,to be taken seriously, because they sense a distinct advantage to do so. They know there's no sense of cohesion or direction there ,so why not ?

But just wait until a face emerges, let's say Sarah emerges and speaks out ; then let's see what the liberal media decides to do with her ;and whatever passes for a serious political force.

The media is all powerful . They raise up rulers and cast them down.

Where are these people going to go? What is their next move? Maybe we should be asking that question.

As I see it, the tea party became a mainstream movement when they allowed in mainstream political speakers, who have mainstream political fears such as that nasty " race card".

These people, as a group, are looking for something outside of the mainstream ideas of taxing,spending, and sucking up to third world people.

Originally Posted by Silver Stallion

Where are these people going to go? What is their next move? Maybe we should be asking that question.

As I see it, the tea party became a mainstream movement when they allowed in mainstream political speakers, who have mainstream political fears such as that nasty " race card".

These people, as a group, are looking for something outside of the mainstream ideas of taxing,spending, and sucking up to third world people.

To some people ,feeling important is more important than issues such as taxing, spending,and 3rd.world people. In fact for some, it may be the only reason why the tea party has gained popularity. The idea that these former nobodies now have some influence with the political movers and shakers is big stuff.

It may not last long. You ask;'where will they go" next move,and so on; the truth is not very far.

What people don't understand is how other groups have gained dominance. Why do blacks enjoy protected status in this country when they are nothing more than a large part of america's SURPLUS POPULATION?

The reason is not well known or even discussed. The simple truth is that the african-american population, has let it be known, through their leadership in

congress and throughout the various political centers found in large metropolitan areas of this country;that if their social and economic rights are tampered

with,they will burn down every city in this country where they enjoy a sizeable part of the population.

This is no mere threat. The rioting in past years is mute testomony of what could happen and the politicos are scared to death. That's the tea party for blacks.

Virgil Cain wrote: The Tea Party is losing popularity because it has become afraid to truly represent it's members. Let's face it, the Tea Party is a white movement, just as the Republican Party is white, but they wont' dare admit it. It's very frustrating to me. How much time has the Tea Party spent steppin' and fetchin' to the Marxist fiddler's tune of "racism"? How much time have they spent conjuring up a black or hispanic faces to represent what is clearly white? Why are they ashamed to be white? It's like we can't have a voice or common interest! Wealth redistribution programs, high taxes, mass immigration, affirmative action, all that's definitely important, but it's not is REALLY behind the movement. My gut tells me that what's really behind it is the fear whites have of losing their the very country their fathers settled and defended FOR THEM. It's like they are waking up from an aweful hangover and seeing what a pickle they have put their children in. If the TP would just be honest, stop minority pandering, and come out against WHITE CHIDLREN BECOMING A HATED MINORITY AND SECOND CLASS CITIZENS IN THE VERY LANDS THEIR FATHERS CONQUERED FOR THEM, they would get tons of support. ]


Absolutely. I have attended several TP meetings, and they are Pro-Israel to the point of gaggishness. They profess their love for Israel. They are PC about minorities and want to play nice in the sandbox. To me, they represent the vacant citizen who thinks something is wrong, but doesn't want to see what is behind the closed door. It is too frightening to them.

Originally Posted by mistek

Virgil Cain wrote: The Tea Party is losing popularity because it has become afraid to truly represent it's members. Let's face it, the Tea Party is a white movement, just as the Republican Party is white, but they wont' dare admit it. It's very frustrating to me. How much time has the Tea Party spent steppin' and fetchin' to the Marxist fiddler's tune of "racism"? How much time have they spent conjuring up a black or hispanic faces to represent what is clearly white? Why are they ashamed to be white? It's like we can't have a voice or common interest! Wealth redistribution programs, high taxes, mass immigration, affirmative action, all that's definitely important, but it's not is REALLY behind the movement. My gut tells me that what's really behind it is the fear whites have of losing their the very country their fathers settled and defended FOR THEM. It's like they are waking up from an aweful hangover and seeing what a pickle they have put their children in. If the TP would just be honest, stop minority pandering, and come out against WHITE CHIDLREN BECOMING A HATED MINORITY AND SECOND CLASS CITIZENS IN THE VERY LANDS THEIR FATHERS CONQUERED FOR THEM, they would get tons of support. ]


Absolutely. I have attended several TP meetings, and they are Pro-Israel to the point of gaggishness. They profess their love for Israel. They are PC about minorities and want to play nice in the sandbox. To me, they represent the vacant citizen who thinks something is wrong, but doesn't want to see what is behind the closed door. It is too frightening to them.

Of course you are correct,but everyone has to be circumspect ,especially about the jews . but when the tea party talks about government waste and where to cut the budget and fails to mention the billions that go to israel ;which is nothing but the international headquarters for extortion and global blackmail,then the tea party lacks the integrity to convince anyone of their political leadership.

It's really very simple. When the Tea Party movement was about breaking the machine tons of people wanted in, but now that the machine has perceived the threat it has assimilated the movement by assimilating it via Tea Party committees, Tea Party caucuses and any other Tea Party incorporations it can devise. The bureaucrats have usurped the Tea Party throne and it is now but the colonial property of the bureaucracy (intellectually speaking of course). Now instead of a real voice against the machine, it is just another cog filling it's slot and doing it's job, which in the case of the "Tea Party", is to secure the allegiance of "radical idealists" before they can do any real damage to USA Inc. The Tea Party is nothing anymore other than a control measure; a release valve to ensure that those that want real change can have a say without any danger of that say ever actually amounting to anything.

Originally Posted by JohnDeWittIII

It's really very simple. When the Tea Party movement was about breaking the machine tons of people wanted in, but now that the machine has perceived the threat it has assimilated the movement by assimilating it via Tea Party committees, Tea Party caucuses and any other Tea Party incorporations it can devise. The bureaucrats have usurped the Tea Party throne and it is now but the colonial property of the bureaucracy (intellectually speaking of course). Now instead of a real voice against the machine, it is just another cog filling it's slot and doing it's job, which in the case of the "Tea Party", is to secure the allegiance of "radical idealists" before they can do any real damage to USA Inc. The Tea Party is nothing anymore other than a control measure; a release valve to ensure that those that want real change can have a say without any danger of that say ever actually amounting to anything.

This is certainly the case.... I believe that in the final analysis it isn't the means by which the tea party affected change but the changes themselves by which they will be regarded. Keep in mind that to take on the judeo-marxist establishment would be a herculian task ,as things now stand.

The tea party has to go through their " night of the long knives' and come out stronger and more assertive than they are now.

To come out swinging against the media moguls ,the subversives and traitors in aipac and in the congressional black caucus would mean a quick end to the t.p. discretion may be the better part of valor!

I'll go ahead and agree with you guys as well.

The establishment is trying its hardest to sell the idea that the Tea Party is too radical to do anything.

In reality, it's the lack of radicalism that's killing it. People are mad, and they know they don't need cowards to change things.

Because economic conservatism, "belt tightening", austerity and just Libertarianism are never popular with poor, working class White voters, especially in rough economic times.

Read Rockwell (White Power) - he flat out came to the conclusion after the Goldwater loss in 1964 that economic conservatism was a sure fire losing program in any national democracy - which is what we have. It would be another thing if poor and unemployed people couldn't vote and then some benevolent wealthy, educated elite could do what was best for the country - some monarchy, oligarchy, NS dictatorship - but we have universal voting franchise, so those on the bottom, struggling - don't want to hear that middle class, and upper class folks want to cut government programs.

Originally Posted by JohnDeWittIII

It's really very simple. When the Tea Party movement was about breaking the machine tons of people wanted in, but now that the machine has perceived the threat it has assimilated the movement by assimilating it via Tea Party committees, Tea Party caucuses and any other Tea Party incorporations it can devise. The bureaucrats have usurped the Tea Party throne and it is now but the colonial property of the bureaucracy (intellectually speaking of course). Now instead of a real voice against the machine, it is just another cog filling it's slot and doing it's job, which in the case of the "Tea Party", is to secure the allegiance of "radical idealists" before they can do any real damage to USA Inc.

Using an Alex Jones phrase, the grassroots Tea Party is losing the information war. The popularity of the Tea Party was at its highest when the faces of the movement the public saw were every-day hardworking men and women organizing in the street and towns. The public approved.

Today, the face of the Tea Party are the Washington politicians featured on cable news who during the recent debt-ceiling debacle swarmed to every camera saying "I am the Tea Party." No more footage of the working man and woman in the streets. The public doesn't like these self-serving politicians.

As the face of the Tea Party is associated with Washington and the GOP the hypocricy of many of these politicians are on full display. Bankruptcy filings, failure to pay child support, living off the federal payroll, etc.. while living in half a million and million dollar houses. The public really does not like this.

Originally Posted by Silver Stallion

Where are these people going to go? What is their next move? Maybe we should be asking that question.

As I see it, the tea party became a mainstream movement when they allowed in mainstream political speakers, who have mainstream political fears such as that nasty " race card".

These people, as a group, are looking for something outside of the mainstream ideas of taxing,spending, and sucking up to third world people.

Those that supported the t.p. in the past understand the need to look further into the future. One insight has been to conclude that if the usa continues to foster 3rd. world people living here and abroad , and does nothing to reverse the trend of illegal latino immigration ,then it will become a 3rd. world nation itself. and this is sure to happen;in which case a sound fiscal policy would be an exercise in futility.

Originally Posted by Kingsnake

I'll go ahead and agree with you guys as well.

The establishment is trying its hardest to sell the idea that the Tea Party is too radical to do anything.

In reality, it's the lack of radicalism that's killing it. People are mad, and they know they don't need cowards to change things.

The masses want change but nothing that would cause discomfort for those who have too much to lose.

The problem is beyond the tea party to cure. the masses have waited too long to take action. Americans simply have it too good.