Thread: How to converse with liberals or neocons without burning your bridges

Originally Posted by Josey Wales

Many years ago, if a conversation about race, history or politics came up with family or neighbors, I would end up making an insensitive comment and often loose the chance of ever discussing those things again, at least with that person or group. How many of us have been in a room or with a group of people, where one person makes a comment that you just cant let it go without countering it with some historical tidbit or logic that in turn, ends up causing an argument?

I think the point I'm trying to make here is that the key is to be subtle. Never try to "win" any discussion. Plant seeds of doubt about their world view with some information and go on about your day, but never give them the whole "documentary" in one sitting. It then becomes an impression that you are "schooling them" on some subject, and they may become intimidated. Invite them to look up the information themselves. If they start to press you or challenge you to an argument, simply refuse, and invite them to look the issues up for themselves. Many will not however, but some will. You are never going to win over every white person to your view of things. Some are simply not going to listen, as they will have to discover it on their own somewhere down the road. Again, the goal is to just be subtle, remain calm and friendly. Nobody likes to be around someone that is always unhappy about one thing or another.

More could probably be said on this, but it needs to be remembered that we are to help our people, not make them look like fools so we can "win" some petty argument and pat ourselves on the back.

Echoing what Andrew Yeoman wrote in his recent post on Alternative Right we need to be able to converse with people of all ages, levels of intelligence and life experience.
Excuse me for paraphrasing again but others have expressed these sentiments more often and more eloquently than I can.
Harold Covington said in his broadcast last week that we can't give up on any White people even if their heads have totally gone to mush, it's not their fault, the Jews have made them that way.
The Voice have put out a Podcast on "Sheeple", I have some "issues" with the content, (specifically but not limited to it's inaccurate portrayal of the "Old" Australia being a free and easy place where people could speak their mind and do as they pleased) but it's not too wide of the mark.
They just need to stop referring to these "Sheeple" in such an abstract way because everyone is just going to say, "Oh sure some people are like that....", it has to be "You" with a big picture of a guy pointing his finger, similar to those old Uncle Sam or Kitchener posters.

YouTube - The Voice - Sheeple

Isn't it better to just say, "OMG!!! You don't know ANYTHING!" And then laugh wildly and leave?

That seems to induce curiosity and you don't have to tax your-own-self with lengthy intelligent debate.

Originally Posted by BluegrassLass

Isn't it better to just say, "OMG!!! You don't know ANYTHING!" And then laugh wildly and leave?

That seems to induce curiosity and you don't have to tax your-own-self with lengthy intelligent debate.

Curiosity isn't a quality I'd automatically associate with the Whites I've been running into lately.
Though I did have one "Political" conversation last week where the guy was trying to remember "Those Jews...ohhh..you know..the ones that nearly sent America broke...bugger it, It'll come to me". No joke he wandered off in mid sentence to grab another beer then came back and started talking about Harness Racing and the Bar he and his mates went to on the way home....but he couldn't remember the name of the bar either.
Just as an aside you'll be pleased to note that "Australians" love hearing about how bad things are becoming in the U.S, as long as it's juicy and it's happening to someone else they'll listen.
We're still getting enough oxygen to survive here and our birthrate is actually creeping up to about 2 so it's kind of hard to stand there talking doom and gloom about ourselves but if someone else is getting it in the neck they're all furrowed brows and "Mmmmmm, not good".

JW, ( cool name by the way) I agree with what you say. Years back when someone would mention that Israel was our best buddy or if they even mentioned the word democracy, I would almost shake them and say are you INSANE. I can deal with most things, but I draw the line at stupidity.

Now my approach is a simple question. How does the world and America look to you today? That is an easy one to stop them in their tracks and make them think for a second. I might then go on to say, having more police and more people in prison only means the society is sick and diseased. I could bring up once upon a time when there were no metal detectors in schools and people did not have to lock and bolt their doors in a car or at home and could leave their garage door open all night and never give it a second thought. That plants a seed and then I might suggest look at who is responsible for all that.

Now if a person where to suggest how great a democracy and freedom of speech we have I would recite a quote from George Lincoln Rockwell. GLR said I believe in 1962 and I quote.
"In the Soviet Union they have free speech, you can talk about anyone but the communist. In China they have free speech, you can talk about anyone but Mao. In Cuba they have free speech, you can talk anyone but Castro. In America we have free speech, you can talk about anyone but the Jews. You can bash Irishmen,Catholics,Italians,Poles,Germans,Protesta nts you can even bash the President, but you can't talk about the Jews. Think about that for a moment I would say. Needless to say, the person/people would get real quite and talk about the weather.

Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne

Harold Covington said in his broadcast last week that we can't give up on any White people even if their heads have totally gone to mush, it's not their fault, the Jews have made them that way.

I realize this, it just sickens me to no end what lengths they will go to to defend Jews/minorities, and hate their very own. It’s like they wish they weren’t white, and that their kids weren’t white. I mean, I don’t care who you are-every American is mad as hell at the current predicament. I mean, conservatives blame liberals and vice versa, and white Christians blame Satan. Everybody already despises the Jews, it’s just that they are unaware of it.

I mean, liberals are more subtle about their racism, but they are very much racists; more so then they claim. Of course, with their voices they say “equal rights” and all claim to be egalitarians, but strike up a conversation with 1 and ask them about cities. When they say so and so is a bad part of town, you know what that means. I’ve never in my life heard of a white dominated trailer park called a “bad part of town.”

Before the media was hijacked from us, racism was the default position; in the 50s everybody was racist, but they didn’t need to think or worry about that at all. A racist nation is a healthy nation.

Great thread. Sometimes I just snicker or smile when a brainwashed White says something stupid. Like BGLass says, sometime just planting a seed of doubt is enough, without wearing myself out emotionally on someone who might just want to stay asleep.

The problem of dealing with brainwashed people.

I'm not sure there's an easy way.

I like to ask: "Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?"

Of course they say yes.

Then I ask. "Do you believe the United States has a right to exist?"

The result us usually a long pause, silence and then they respond about how "That's different" or "That's a trick question" or some other inanity.

But, it does make people think.


Another version:

Q. "Do you believe the Jewish people have a right to exist?"

A. Yes of course.

Q. "Do you believe the white race has a right to exist?"

A. "Duh......"

Like I said, it does make them think. You can very it with a question about whether spotted owls, whales, etc. have a right to exist, and then ask about whether white people have the same right to exist as whales and spotted owls. And if white people are, in their eye, inferior to whales and spotted owls, then you ask, "why do you hate white people so much that you think lower animals have more civil rights?"

I have had some success in going this way....asking them questions. It makes people think even if it also makes them angry at the same time. It makes them confront the fact that intuitively or subconsciously, they've accepted the premise of white subordination below just about any other known life form.

It sickens me how even conservatives insist that they are for immigration, and they make sure to say "just not illegal." Why don't they grow a pair and say what they really mean, everybody already knows it. Liberals say that in the future, with everybody continuously miscgenerating, that everyone will eventually be the same race. Ok, uniculturalism is a good idea, is the very cause we are fighting for, but any immigration ultimately entails the end of the European-American race. If you are for any type of immigration, you are for the genocide of the white race.

I think things in the US will have to be similar to things in S. Africa for whites to wake up.

And the really sad thing is there is a virtual army of whites sitting in Christian churches nationwide. If they actually paid attention to what Jesus said and the way he acted, instead of listening to their kosher Christian ministers, they would realize that Jesus and God unequivocally rejected the Jews. Jesus said that the only way to the father is through him, he said whoever denies him, he will also deny them before his father. While the Jews didn't directly kill Jesus, they are certainly the reason why he was killed in such an uncivilized fashion. Hell, Pilate was the only one who stuck up for Jesus. I have to admit at times I feel sorry for brainwashed Christians. Just about all of them are aware that something drastic is happening to the country and they are in a state of fear, anger and "clinging to their guns". They don't have a clue what is causing our problems, and they only seem to offer up the devil, or liberals as an answer. Millions upon millions of Christians still don’t comprehend that the Jews are the ones tearing Christ out of our lives and taking away our freedoms. If they knew the Jews looked at Christ like he was a piece of sh$t and are trying to make him unlawful by depriving Christians the right to openly love and worship the Lord they would rise up and smash the Jews. They may be ignorant of the Jews, but they know what the will of God is.

When the time is near, I firmly beleive that it will be white Christians who will ultimately save the white race from Jewish subjugation. When they finally, in the 11th hour, find out that the Jews are the “devil” alluded to in scripture, and they plan on decimating white civilization, they will all know that they cannot allow that.

Originally Posted by John Alden

It sickens me how even conservatives insist that they are for immigration, and they make sure to say "just not illegal." Why don't they grow a pair and say what they really mean, everybody already knows it. Liberals say that in the future, with everybody continuously miscgenerating, that everyone will eventually be the same race. Ok, uniculturalism is a good idea, is the very cause we are fighting for, but any immigration ultimately entails the end of the European-American race. If you are for any type of immigration, you are for the genocide of the white race.

I think things in the US will have to be similar to things in S. Africa for whites to wake up.

And the really sad thing is there is a virtual army of whites sitting in Christian churches nationwide. If they actually paid attention to what Jesus said and the way he acted, instead of listening to their kosher Christian ministers, they would realize that Jesus and God unequivocally rejected the Jews. Jesus said that the only way to the father is through him, he said whoever denies him, he will also deny them before his father. While the Jews didn't directly kill Jesus, they are certainly the reason why he was killed in such an uncivilized fashion. Hell, Pilate was the only one who stuck up for Jesus. I have to admit at times I feel sorry for brainwashed Christians. Just about all of them are aware that something drastic is happening to the country and they are in a state of fear, anger and "clinging to their guns". They don't have a clue what is causing our problems, and they only seem to offer up the devil, or liberals as an answer. Millions upon millions of Christians still don’t comprehend that the Jews are the ones tearing Christ out of our lives and taking away our freedoms. If they knew the Jews looked at Christ like he was a piece of sh$t and are trying to make him unlawful by depriving Christians the right to openly love and worship the Lord they would rise up and smash the Jews. They may be ignorant of the Jews, but they know what the will of God is.

When the time is near, I firmly beleive that it will be white Christians who will ultimately save the white race from Jewish subjugation. When they finally, in the 11th hour, find out that the Jews are the “devil” alluded to in scripture, and they plan on decimating white civilization, they will all know that they cannot allow that.

This will be unpopular:

But in the U.S., other populations are going to have to deal with the Protestant Christians. You CANNOT rub out the founding ideological pool of a country without consequence.

Maybe if they'd given Protestants a reservation in 1965, the way they did the Indians, things would be different.

But INSTEAD, they just continued endless reconstruction (that did not ever quit after the 1865 Internal Conflict, but rather, was simply expanded to cover EVEN MORE Christians, not just Southern Protestants.)

Catholics, Orthodox must reform themselves, in some sense, to reach out REALISTICALLY to those other Christians (especially since they comprise the Oldest Populations IN THE COUNTRY!)

THEY cannot continue to be on the bandwagon teaching (or not rejecting the teaching) that Protestants are all Puritans (they are not and were not) or "Zionists" or "Adopting black babies," (Horus hit them a few times on his show that way), or they are directly all equating with "Anglos."

All that language--- just buys into what the dominant hegemonic culture wants to say to degrade the Oldest U.S. Populations, in part to erase public memory (and produce a culture with a new memory and myth, centered in holocaust teachings and hollywood ethic and so on.

Those narratives are breaking down due to globalization. Eg: the "black-white" rhetoric and endless replay of the three pictures used for "civil rights," footage---- can have less play, say, in nyc where 150 languages are spoken a day. In 150 cultures smashed together, "we're all human here," can become virtually meaningless (obviously), and simple race-based rhetoric (the black-white conflict) breaks down. There are too many other populations out there and people just do not care anymore.

The Protestant bashing, in all forms, must go.


The real opinions of the real Oldest Populations in the country must be SOUGHT, (in earnest.) The Protestant Contribution in the U.S.---- the connection of what was possible, DIRECTLY TO the connectedness of Protestant Theology MUST BE acknowledged before this sort of united Christianity can actually, GENUINELY occur.

It has to be worked through in earnest. It cannot just be swept under the rug. Catholics must confront the effects of teaching that the real children of the Founding Fathers (by blood) are "HERETICS," just as it would behoove jews to take a look at the "nazi" images dumped on Americans who actually won their war.

Atonement is necessary for that. Otherwise, the cycle of history will remain stuck, imo.

The most generational populations ARE NOT heretics nor subhuman!

Many acquaintances of mine are conservatives. I mean, conservatives are still betraying the white race, but nowhere near the pace of the left. I always seem to make some progress with them if we begin on a common ground. Cons detest immigration, so I can usually get an agreement on them from that front. After wards, I slowly explain to them how in Mexico if you are an immigrant, you get tortured or worse. But the minute I mention the Jews, the conversation immediately does a 180. So I have found, that naming the enemy isn't a top priority until more whites are awakened, so I usually substitute "Jew" with "Liberal Establishment". I then rattle off some of my anti-Jew facts, (of course blaming the LE) like how the radical marxists captained nearly all the slave ships, cheerleaded for all anti-white laws, and own our media. Once in awhile, someone questions that our media is liberal. I usually reply with, "Well, political pundits usually don't get a thrill up their leg for small government conservatives." If I can get agreement thus far, I go deeper. I tell them about life in the 50s and before, how people didn't have to lock their doors or could actually go to school without worrying about if the person next to them has a gun or a knife.

I then assuage them a little, I mean I don't want to turn them completely away from the cause. I re-assure them by saying that black people are not directly responsible for anything; that they are just the symptom. The radical liberal elites are the problem. I tell them that we already established that the media is owned and run by leftists. I then re-affirm political correctness by agreeing that diversity is good. I tell them we should run with that idea a little. I then say that really, really far away there is a huge chunk of land especially for black people. It is called Africa. I tell them likewise there is a piece of land for the Mexicans...Mexico. I then ask them is there an official homeland designated for whites? They usually have a weird look on their face like they are thinking about it. I close by stating what should be obvious at this juncture: This nonsense and hyperbole of multiculturalism is a fabricated lie. Don't let anybody have the audacity to tell you that hundreds of years pre-50's was wrong.

Needless to say, I brought a few conservatives over with this. But again, I did not mention the Jews, for they would immediately run off and point fingers at me, "He's a white supremacist and/or a holocaust denier!"

The Jewish question. A tough one to raise, even with, or perhaps most especially with, conservatives.

Again, my old fall back, Do you believe Israel has a "right to exist?"

They say, robotically, "Yes."

And then: Well, does the United States have a "right to exist?"

That's when they start hemming and hawing.

Follow up: "Why are you afraid to concede to white Americans the same "right to exist" that you concede to Jews?"

More hemming and hawing.

Another good line of questioning to challenge people's thinking about historical issues and free speech issues. Start with something non-controversial, such as the history of the Protestant Reformation.

"Who owns the history of the Protestant Reformation, the Protestants or the Catholics?"

"Should Protestants have the right to jail Catholics who disagree with the Protestant version of the history of the Protestant Reformation?"




You can use this line of questioning about any historical event: Who owns the history of the Civil War, the north or the south? Do the Irish own the history of the Irish Potato Famine? Do the French own the history of the French Revolution? Then, ask the same question about WW2. Who owns it? Who has the right to disagree with the official Jewish version of the history of WW2?

"Who owns the history of WW2?"

Who "owns the history" of anything? Well this question alone will make people sit up and take notice.

"We were told that WW2 was fought to save freedom. Why doesn't freedom of speech apply to our right to ask questions about a war that was purportedly fought to save free speech?"

"Shouldn't people have as much right to disagree with the Jewish version of WW2 as the Protestant version of the Protestant Reformation?"

"Why do Jews receive more legal protection from disagreement than Protestants?" Doesn't it violate the separation of church and state to give members of one religion IJews) more legal protection than Protestants or members of other religions? "

The "wall of separation of church and state" is near and dear to the heart of liberals and even conservatives. If you can by a few simple questions make them advocate greater legal protection for Jews than for non-Jews, you've exposed their belief that the government should violate the principle of separation by giving Jews more legal protection than non-Jews. The essence of racial supremacy is the granting to one race legal privileges and immunities not granted to other races. By forcing them to advocate special protection for Jews, you can argue that they believe in religious preferences (violates wall of separation) and racial supremacy, i.e. based on special legal protection based on race.

I have found that with these few simple questions you can force people to tie themselves in knots and to squirm under the weight of their own contradictions. You have to think these things through in advance and be prepared. They respond extemporaneously, but you cross-examine them, gently and politely, but very firmly because you've thought out the issue and they have not.