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A struggle, movement, or war what is it to you?
I see it as a war we are in. I also see it as genocide. I see it this way, because they have been attacking my racial kin and I, and a lot of the time we don't make it out alive. I consider any family members not aware of this as a casualty. If I hear them spout out any of the jew think, they are a casualty. I 'am a soldier in this war, as are you. I fight this war daily, as do you. I make it a point to attack the enemy in someway, anyway I can, as do you. I take advantage of the age of incompetence we live, as do you. I waste the enemies resources, as do you. I awaken anyone I can, and strike from the shadows in ways they can't imagine, as do you.
How do you see it? Is it a war, struggle, movement, genocide or all of the above? What are your thoughts and opinions? I 'am seriously interested in everyones perspective.
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I don't like the words struggle or movement. They don't have that wake the UP effect I get from "War" and "Genocide". Calling it genocide while administering an awakening to an individual really sounds the alarm. A lot of times these days, I can see them beginning to wake up in the first conversation. The tide has definitely turned in our favor, but I always knew it would. I just didn't expect I would be seeing it this early or happening this quick. Calling it a war among our proactive brothers and sisters solidifies what they already know, and must always keep in mind. They are soldiers, this is a war, the enemy plays for keeps, so should you. Just some opinions I have. I like to hear others points of view.
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The problem with this being a struggle is the white race has to actully fight back. The majority of our race sits backs and watching the decay all the nations their ancestors built. You could say this is a movement but most organizations have no destination other than "we want to take our nation back". They make this statement without a direction or any real plan to achieve this. I think I would agree with this being a slaughter. I just hope by some faint chance that our race turns the tide with this new year. You will get your chance to turn the tide very soon, dont let the chance pass you. So many nations and so many people are counting on each and every individual here to make a change.
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I have been a devout disciple of the Tommy Metzger school of thought since 1999. I was awake long before that, it all just kind of made sense to me. I mean I just understood it from a young age. I still really don't understand how some of my relatives can't see it. By some of my relatives, I 'am talking about 98% of them don't get it. It was really kind of simple. I think it is even more obvious today. They don't call me stupid or anything, because they can't. I excelled in academics and sports. That "your a racist redneck" stuff doesn't work on someone like me. In fact, I don't understand that verbal attack in the first place. You know I have met people of all different levels of social status, intelligence, education, and fitness during this war. And I can tell you with some degree of certainty that whatever is inside the people that are awake right now, is so unique, I don't think it can be clearly defined. Therefore, I put most of my faith of us winning this war in the soldiers currently fighting it. I don't think we should stop recruiting. I think we should all spend a little time once a week, day dreaming up ways of winning with the resources and tools currently available too us. Of course, don 't stop doing all the attacks your are currently carrying out. Just take a few minutes before you go to sleep at night, let your subconscious speak to you. Unleash the GODZILLA FROM WITHIN! I haven't come up with anything profoundly brand new yet. when I do you will all be the first to know.
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What a leader is to me is someone willing or has done what he ask of his men. He has great knowledge, honorable, able to communicate, and the willingness to do it himself. There is more to leader then just that but to me those are some of the most important traits of a leader. What do you look for or need in a leader? What is a leader to you? How do you feel about are so-called leader of today? |
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I see a lot of people taking the initiative, and leading in this war. I see Tom Metzger as a leader. He leads a certain personality type. Most people don't have the titanium ball bearings he does, but that trait is only one reason why he is a leader. I received an excellent education from old Tommy. I see Bob Whitaker as a leader. Old Bob taught me how to see things in a new and improved light. I see the men who started this site up as leaders. They implemented a new idea I hope to see catch on within our community. I even see old Davie Duke as a leader. This man inspired me to go graduate school. I 'am currently enrolled online. I see young Horus the Avenger as a leader. He got me to start laughing again. Guess what? I have never met any of these leaders face to face, many of them do not even know I exist. They all accomplished something only great leaders do well. They developed the individuals within their flock into better leaders. Just a few outstanding leaders I have met face to face with, my Grandmother, my high school wrestling coach, my high school math teacher, my youngest brother, and my fourth boss, these people played a big role in forging me into the man I 'am today.
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It is good to have initiative but sadly most of our race lacks this. Ive seen so many people that have proven to simply be completely lazy. Im glad to see that there are a few people who at least claim to have initiative to get things done. We see many of those individuals within ple's or the Pro White communities around the country that are springing up. It takes alot of hard work to build a new community for our people so that future generations have the pillars for a new society.
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Decisions of Yesteryear
Two Versions of the Revolutionary War; one is truthful and Romantic, the other is devoid of romance, but just as true.
It is not either view that is important, but the essence of the Doing, the Sacrifice, and the Honour which impelled these men to give everything...for Freedom! Any way you slice it, this was definitely Uncommon Valor!! What happened to those men who signed the Declaration of Independence?  Have you ever wondered what happened to those men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or the hardships of the Revolutionary War. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners, men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers or both, looted the properties of Ellery, Clymer, Hall, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the Battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis, had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire, which was done. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his grist mill were laid waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home after the war to find his wife dead, his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. There were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of the Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave us an independent America. Can we keep it? Please read this additional information from Prof. Brooke. On at least one website, Gary Hildreth, of Erie PA, is listed as the author of "The Price they Paid". Here is what I have been able to find based on a few hours in my university's limited library and the book, "The Signers of the Declaration of Independence", by Robert G. Ferris and Richard E. Morris of the U.S. National Park Service (Arlington, VA: Interpretive Publications, Inc., 1982). NO SIGNER WAS KILLED OUTRIGHT BY THE BRITISH. Lets examine some of the statements more closely. "Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died." This passage, to me at least, implies that the signer were captured under charges of treason and died under torture. Five signers were indeed captured by the British, but not necessarily as traitors. Richard Stockton (NJ) was the only one who was probably captured and imprisoned just for having signed the Declaration of Independence. Ferris and Morris also note that he was not well treated in captivity and was in ill health when released. He never completely recovered. He did not die in prison, however. George Walton (GA) commanded militia at the Battle of Savannah in December, 1778. He was wounded and captured at that time. Thus he would have been considered a prisoner of war, not a traitor. He was released within a year, which implies that his signature on the Declaration was not as important a factor in his captivity as his active military role in defending Savannah (prisoners of war were exchanged on a regular basis, a traitor would have been hanged). Walton lived to serve as Governor of Georgia and U.S. Senator, dying in 1804. Thomas Heyward, Jr., Arthur Middleton, and Edward Rutledge (SC) were all captured at the Siege of Charleston in 1780. They were held at St. Augustine (then under British control) until September 1781 with other Continentals. Two months after his release, Arthur Middleton returned to Philadelphia to resume his seat in the Continental Congress. Despite the destruction of his estate, he was able to rebuild it and live there until his death in 1787. Edward Rutledge sat in the State Legislature from 1782 to 1798. He was elected Governor of South Carolina but died before completing his term...in 1800. Ferris and Morris report that he died a very wealthy man. Thomas Heyward, Jr. served as a circuit court judge from 1782 to 1787. He served as a state legislator at the same time. Heyward lived well into the 19th century, dying in 1809. I checked about 8 general histories of the American War for Independence and one or two specialized works on the southern campaigns. None of them even mentioned that signers had been captured at Charleston or Savannah, let alone mention that any were singled out for harsh treatment. This seems to indicate that their capture was part of the "normal" course of war, not a special effort. After the British took Charleston, Gen. Sir Henry Clinton had men of military age left in the city rounded up. Most were released soon after, including most of the militia troops. He had originally allowed the officers to keep their swords, but changed his mind when they began to shout rebel slogans. Only the Continental troops were held for any length of time (Middlekauff, The Glorious Revolution) I found only one reference to the treatment of prisoners from the southern campaigns, in Lynn Montross, "Rag, Tag, and Bobtail". This work states that the continental troops from the siege of Charleston were held on prison ships. Conditions were poor and about a third of the prisoners died. If one takes the word "torture" to mean pain and suffering, then I suppose these men were tortured. To my mind, however, torture implies an intentional infliction on pain, usually either to extract information or to punish. I have found no evidence of the latter. Here is an interesting passage from Larry G. Bowman, North Texas St. Univ., on Prisoners of war: "Prisoners of war did suffer during the American Revolution. No other conclusion can be reached regarding the welfare of captives on both sides. Men were beaten, deprived of food by corrupt officials, denied bedding and clothing, and harassed in other ways but, fortunately, such incidents of outright cruelty were not routine events. Actually, most of the suffering of the men came from the more subtle torment usually brought on by neglect on the part of their captors. Neither the American nor the British authorities sought to induce suffering among the men in their prisons, yet men did want for basic services. The shortcomings on both sides of the conflict in providing for the captives was evident, but the motivations behind the failures were not evil or vindictive in their origination. Neither party entered a program of deliberately tormenting prisoners." Encyclopedia of the American Revolution, v. II, p. 1334 (New York: Garland Publishing, 1993). So, when Hildreth writes, "But they signed the Declaration of Independence, knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured." The British undoubtedly put a price on the heads of rebel political officials (not just signers) and the signers no doubt feared that the British would make good on the threat. The reality is, however, that none were executed for their treason. Let's look at another assertion....Nine of the fifty-six fought and died from wounds or the hardship of the Revolutionary War. On my list two were wounded in action, but NONE DIED OF WOUNDS. My count shows 17--not 9--men who held commissions (or did medical duty) during the war. With the possible exception of Thomas Lynch, Jr. and Gwinnett, I would not say that any death here was attributable to the war with the British. Gwinnett's death, though, is hardly glorious: 1. Josiah Bartlett (NH) as surgeon with Gen. John Stark's troops at Bennington. Bartlett declined national offices (citing fatigue or ill health) but remained active in state affairs and died in 1794.Some, like John Hart or Thomas Nelson, died of fatigue or exhaustion brought on by travel and active service. In that sense, the war may indeed have shortened their lives. Then again, how can we know in an age where illness was so commonplace. By the way, would we accept "fatigue" as a cause of death today? Or would we find some more precise explanation. In any case, I don't know if I would list this cause of death in the same sentence as a reference to battle service. Now....Let's look at some of the personal stories told....Carter Braxton of Virginia, wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the sea by the British navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Ferris and Morris tell a similar story, but watch the twist: "The War for Independence brought financial hardships to Braxton. At its beginning, he had invested heavily in shipping, but the British captured most of his vessels and ravaged some of his plantations and extensive landholdings. COMMERCIAL SETBACKS IN LATER YEARS RUINED HIM." (p. 42). If Braxton sold his home, he did not sell all of them. This entry also notes that Braxton was able to retain his family seat at Chericoke, and died in his Richmond townhouse. No doubt Braxton's fortunes were changed by the war, but can we say, truthfully, that his death in poverty was entirely due to the sacrifices of war??? Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. So far, this is correct. But Ferris and Morris state that McKean was able to rebuild his fortune" "McKean lived out his live quietly in Philadelphia. He died in 1817 at the age of 83, survived by his second wife and four of the 11 children from his marriages. He was buried in Laurel Hill Cemetery. HIS SUBSTANTIAL ESTATE CONSISTED OF STOCKS, BONDS, AND HUGE LAND TRACTS IN PENNSYLVANIA (p. 102). British soldiers looted the properties of Ellery, Clymer, Hall, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge and Middleton. Also William Floyd (NY), John Hart (NC), William Hooper (NC), Philip Livingston (NY), Lewis Morris (NY). Oddly, enough, however, the British had the opportunity to loot the homes of several very prominent signers and did not do so. Although the British evacuated Boston before the signing, why didn't the British vandalize the homes of well-known rebels such as Sam Adams and John Hancock during their occupation of Boston? The British occupied Philadelphia through the winter of 1777, yet the homes of Benjamin Franklin (who surely must have been public enemy #1), James Wilson, Benjamin Rush, Robert Morris. James Wilson's home was attacked by Americans, including militiamen, during food shortages in 1779 (does it count if the suffering was caused by your own side?). Thomas Jefferson was almost captured at Monticello. Why didn't the British burn the estate? At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr. noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire, which was done. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Ferris and Morris also repeat this story, although they qualify it as "family legend". Nelson was unable to rebuild his fortunes after the war and did indeed die in poverty. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The British jailed his wife, and soon after she died. This is true. Although Lewis lived until 1802 (and was 89 when he died), he essentially retired from public life after his wife's death. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his grist mill were laid waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home after the war to find his wife dead, his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. The story is essentially true, but Hart survived two years after his return from exile, not a few weeks. Morris and Livingston suffered similar fates Philip Livingston, a member of the extremely influential NY Livingston family, had several properties in New York and Brooklyn that were occupied by the British. He sold other properties to support the war effort before fleeing the British occupation of NY. He died, at the age of 62, in 1778. There were two signers of the Declaration surnamed Morris. LEWIS Morris of New York, had to flee his home, Morrisania, which was damaged in the British occupation. Ferris and Morris note that he was able to rebuild Morrisania. ROBERT Morris, of Pennsylvania may be even more intriguing. Generally recognized for his fundraising efforts during the war, he was later accused (though vindicated) by Thomas Paine of profiteering. As Superintendent of Finance (1781-1784) he was responsible for keeping the young country afloat financially. In 1789, he declined to serve as Secretary of the Treasury (Alexander Hamilton got the job), but served instead as a Senator from PA. Morris' own financial dealings were not as successful. He speculated on western lands on credit, lived extremely well, and embarked on an ambitious home building project. All of this led to personal bankruptcy and time in debtor's prison in 1798. His wife was granted a pension that sustained the family. Robert Morris died in 1806. So there you have it. A grain of truth in everything, but some broad wording that makes for a good story but an inaccurate portrayal of our founders. Brooke E. Brooke Harlowe Asst. Prof. and Coordinator, Intl Studies major/minor Dept. of Political Science Susquehanna University Selinsgrove PA 17870
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More information: MIXTURE OF TRUE AND FALSE INFORMATION Example: [Collected via e-mail, 1999] THE PRICE THEY PAID Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year, he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later, he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing talk straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July Holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: Freedom is never free! I hope you will show your support by please sending this to as many people as you can. It's time we get the word out that patriotism is NOT a sin, and the Fourth of July has more to it than beer, picnics, and baseball games. Origins: In the waning years of their lengthy lives, former presidents (and Founding Fathers) John Adams and Thomas Jefferson reconciled the political differences that had separated them for many years and carried on a voluminous correspondence. One of the purposes behind their exchange of letters was to set the record straight regarding the events of the American Revolution, for as author Joseph J. Ellis noted, they (particularly Adams, whom history would not treat nearly as kindly as Jefferson) were keenly aware of the "distinction between history as experienced and history as remembered": Adams realized that the act of transforming the American Revolution into history placed a premium on selecting events and heroes that fit neatly into a dramatic formula, thereby distorting the more tangled and incoherent experience that participants actually making the history felt at the time. Jefferson's drafting of the Declaration of Independence was a perfect example of such dramatic distortions. The Revolution in this romantic rendering became one magical moment of inspiration, leading inexorably to the foregone conclusion of American independence. Evidently Adams was right: So great is our need for simplified, dramatic events and heroes that even the real-life biographies of the fifty-six men who risked their lives to publicly declare American independence are no longer compelling enough. Through multiple versions of pieces like the one quoted above, their lives have been repeatedly embellished with layers of fanciful fiction to make for a better story. As we often do, we'll try here to strip away those accumulated layers of fiction and get down to whatever kernel of truth may lie underneath: Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died. It is true that five signers of the Declaration of Independence were captured by the British during the course of the Revolutionary War. However, none of them died while a prisoner, and four of them were taken into custody not because they were considered "traitors" due to their status as signatories to that document, but because they were captured as prisoners of war while actively engaged in military operations against the British: George Walton was captured after being wounded while commanding militia at the Battle of Savannah in December 1778, and Thomas Heyward, Jr., Arthur Middleton, and Edward Rutledge (three of the four Declaration of Independence signers from South Carolina) were taken prisoner at the Siege of Charleston in May in 1780. Although they endured the ill treatment typically afforded to prisoners of war during their captivity (prison conditions were quite deplorable at the time), they were not tortured, nor is there evidence that they were treated more harshly than other wartime prisoners who were not also signatories to the Declaration. Moreover, all four men were eventually exchanged or released; had they been considered traitors by the British, they would have been hanged. Richard Stockton of New Jersey was the only signer taken prisoner specifically because of his status as a signatory to the Declaration, "dragged from his bed by night" by local Tories after he had evacuated his family from New Jersey, and imprisoned in New York City's infamous Provost Jail like a common criminal. However, Stockton was also the only one of the fifty-six signers who violated the pledge to support the Declaration of Independence and each other with "our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor," securing a pardon and his release from imprisonment by recanting his signature on the Declaration and signing an oath swearing his allegiance to George III. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. It is true that a number of signers saw their homes and property occupied, ransacked, looted, and vandalized by the British (and even in some cases by the Americans). However, as we discuss in more detail below, this activity was a common (if unfortunate) part of warfare. Signers' homes were not specifically targeted for destruction — like many other Americans, their property was subject to seizure when it fell along the path of a war being waged on the North American continent. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Abraham Clark of New Jersey saw two of his sons captured by the British and incarcerated on the prison ship Jersey. John Witherspoon, also of New Jersey, saw his eldest son, James, killed in the Battle of Germantown in October 1777. If there was a second signer of the Declaration whose son was killed while serving in the Continental Army, we have yet to find him. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. This statement is quite misleading as phrased. Nine signers died during the course of the Revolutionary War, but none of them died from wounds or hardships inflicted on them by the British. (Indeed, several of the nine didn't even take part in the war.) Only one signer, Button Gwinnett of Georgia, died from wounds, and those were received not at the hands of the British, but of a fellow officer with whom he duelled in May 1777. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Before the American Revolution, Carter Braxton was possessed of a considerable fortune through inheritance and favorable marriages. While still in his teens he inherited the family estate, which included a flourishing Virginia tobacco plantation, upon the death of his father. He married a wealthy heiress who died when he was just 21, and within a few years he had remarried, this time to the daughter of the Receiver of Customs in Virginia for the King. As a delegate representing Virginia in the Continental Congress in 1776, he was one of the minority of delegates reluctant to support an American declaration of independence, a move which he viewed at the time as too dangerous: [Independence] is in truth a delusive Bait which men inconsiderably catch at, without knowing the hook to which it is affixed ... America is too defenceless a State for the declaration, having no alliance with a naval Power nor as yet any Fleet of consequence of her own to protect that trade which is so essential to the prosecution of the War, without which I know we cannot go on much longer. Braxton invested his wealth in commercial enterprises, particularly shipping, and he endured severe financial reversals during the Revolutionary War when many of the ships in which he held interest were either appropriated by the British government (because they were British-flagged) or were sunk or captured by the British. He was not personally targeted for ruin because he had signed the Declaration of Independence, however; he suffered grievous financial losses because most of his wealth was tied up in shipping, "that trade which is so essential to the prosecution of the War" and which was therefore a prime military target for the British. Even if he hadn't signed the Declaration of Independence, Braxton's ships would have been casualties of the war just the same. Although Braxton did lose property during the war and had to sell off assets (primarily landholdings) to cover the debts incurred by the loss of his ships, he recouped much of that money after the war but subsequently lost it again through his own ill-advised business dealings. His fortune was considerably diminished in his later years, but he did not by any stretch of the imagination "die in rags." Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. As one biography describes Thomas McKean (not "McKeam"): Thomas McKean might just represent an ideal study of how far political engagement can be carried by one man. One can scarcely believe the number of concurrent offices and duties this man performed during the course of his long career. He served three states and many more cities and county governments, often performing duties in two or more jurisdictions, even while engaged in federal office. Among his many offices, McKean was a delegate to the Continental Congress (of which he later served as president), President of Delaware, Chief Justice of Pennsylvania, and Governor of Pennsylvania. The above-quoted statement regarding his being "hounded" by the British during the Revolutionary War is probably based upon a letter he wrote to his friend John Adams in 1777, in which he described how he had been "hunted like a fox by the enemy, compelled to remove my family five times in three months, and at last fixed them in a little log-house on the banks of the Susquehanna, but they were soon obliged to move again on account of the incursions of the Indians." However, it is problematic to assert that McKean's treatment was due to his being a signer of the Declaration of Independence. (His name does not appear on printed copies of that document authenticated in January 1777, so it is likely he did not affix his name to it until later.) If he was targeted by the British, it was quite possibly because he also served in a military capacity as a volunteer leader of militia. In any case, McKean did not end up in "poverty," as the estate he left behind when he died in 1817 was described as consisting of "stocks, bonds, and huge land tracts in Pennsylvania." Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. First of all, this passage has a couple of misspellings: the signers referred to are William Ellery (not "Dillery") and Edward Rutledge (not "Ruttledge"). Secondly, this sentence is misleading in that it implies a motive that was most likely not present (i.e., these men's homes were looted because they had been signers of the Declaration of Independence). The need to forage for supplies in enemy territory has long been a part of warfare, and so it was far from uncommon for British soldiers in the field to appropriate such material from private residences during the American Revolution. (Not only were homes used as sources of food, livestock, and other necessary supplies, but larger houses were also taken over and used to quarter soldiers or to serve as headquarters for officers.) In some cases, even American forces took advantage of the local citizenry to provision themselves. Given that many more prominent American revolutionaries who were also signers of the Declaration of Independence (e.g., Samuel Adams, John Hancock, Benjamin Franklin, James Wilson, Benjamin Rush, Robert Morris) had homes in areas that were occupied by the British during the war, yet those homes were not looted or vandalized, it's hard to make the case that the men named above were specifically targeted for vengeance by the British rather than unfortunate victims whose property fell in the path of an armed conflict being waged on American soil. It's also a common misconception that the signing of the Declaration of Independence was the event that triggered the Revolutionary War, so the signers were directly responsible for whatever misfortunes befell them (and their fellow Americans) as a result of that war. The war actually began more than a year before the signing of the Declaration of Independence — revolutionary events involving armed conflict, such as the battles of Lexington and Concord, the seizure of Fort Ticonderoga by Ethan Allen and his "Green Mountain Boys," the Battle of Bunker Hill, and the capture of Montreal by General Richard Montgomery, all took place in 1775. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. The tale about Thomas Nelson's urging or suggesting the bombardment of his own house is one of several Revolutionary War legends whose truth may never be known. Several versions of this story exist, one of which (as referenced above) holds that Nelson encouraged George Washington to shell his Yorktown home after British Major General Charles Cornwallis had taken it over to use as his headquarters in 1781: Cornwallis had turned the home of Thomas Nelson, who had succeeded Jefferson as governor of Virginia, into his headquarters. Nelson, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, had led three Virginia brigades, or 3,000 men, to Yorktown and, when the shelling of the town was about to begin, urged Washington to bombard his own house. And that is where Washington, with his experienced surveyor's eye, reputedly pointed the gun for the first (and singularly fatal) allied shot. Legend has it that the shell went right through a window and landed at the dinner table where some British officers, including the British commissary general, had just sat down to dine. The general was killed and several others wounded as it burst among their plates. Other versions of the story have Nelson directing the Marquis de Lafayette to train French artillery on his home: The story goes that the new Virginia Governor Thomas Nelson (who'd been held at Yorktown but released under a flag of truce) was with American forces that day. Lafayette invited Nelson to be present when Captain Thomas Machin's battery first opened fire, as both a compliment and knowing Nelson lived in Yorktown and would know the localities in the riverport area. "To what particular spot," Lafayette reportedly asked Nelson, "would your Excellency direct that we should point the cannon." Nelson replied, "There, to that house. It is mine, and . . . it is the best one in the town. There you will be almost certain to find Lord Cornwallis and the British headquarters." "A simultaneous discharge of all the guns in the line," Joseph Martin wrote, was "followed [by] French troops accompanying it with 'Huzza for the Americans.'" Sounding much like the Nelson legend, Martin's account added that "the first shell sent from our batteries entered an elegant house formerly owned or occupied by the Secretary of State under the British, and burned directly over a table surrounded by a large party of British officers at dinner, killing and wounding a number of them." Still other accounts maintain this legend is a conflation of two separate events: Thomas Nelson, acting as commander in chief of the Virginia militia, ordered a battery to open fire on his uncle's home, where Cornwallis was then ensconced. Later, Nelson supposedly made a friendly bet with French artillerists in which he challenged them to hit his home, one of the more prominent landmarks in Yorktown. Whatever the truth, the Nelson home was certainly not "destroyed" as claimed. The house stands to this day as part of Colonial National Historical Park, and the National Park Service's description of it notes only that "the southeast face of the residence does show evidence of damage from cannon fire." Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. Francis Lewis represented New York in the Continental Congress, and shortly after he signed the Declaration of Independence his Long Island estate was raided by the British, possibily as retaliation for his having been a signatory to that document. While Lewis was in Philadelphia attending to congressional matters, his wife was taken prisoner by the British after disregarding an order for citizens to evacuate Long Island. Mrs. Lewis was held for several months before being exchanged for the wives of British officials captured by the Americans. Although her captivity was undoubtedly a hardship, she had already been in poor health for some time and died a few years (not months) later. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year, he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later, he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. John Hart's New Jersey farm was looted in the course of the Revolutionary War, and he did have to remain in hiding for a while afterwards. However, the claim that he was "driven from his [dying] wife's bedside" as his "13 children fled for his lives" is dramatic fiction. The British overran the area of New Jersey where he resided in late November of 1776, but his wife had already died on 8 October, and most of their children were adults by then. He also did not die "from exhaustion and a broken heart" a mere "few weeks" after emerging from hiding — he was twice re-elected to the Continental Congress, served as Speaker of the New Jersey assembly, and invited the American army to encamp on his New Jersey farmland in June 1778 before succumbing to kidney stones in May 1779. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Lewis Morris (not Norris) indeed saw his Westchester County, New York, home taken over in 1776 and used as a barracks for soldiers, and the horses and livestock from his farm commandeered by military personnel, but he suffered those deprivations at the hands of the Continental Army, not the British. Shortly afterwards his home was appropriated by the British, but Morris and his wife reclaimed the property and restored their home after the war. Philip Livingston lost several properties to the British occupation of New York and sold off others to support the war effort, and he did not recover them because he died suddenly in 1778, before the end of the war. What should we take from all of this? The signers of the Declaration of Independence did take a huge risk in daring to put their names on a document that repudiated their government, and they had every reason to believe at the time that they might well be hanged for having done so. That was a courageous act we should indeed remember and honor on the Fourth of July amidst our "beer, picnics, and baseball games." But we should also not lose sight of the fact that many men (and women) other than the fifty-six signers of the Declaration of Independence — some famous and most not — risked and sacrificed much (including their lives) to support the revolutionary cause. The hardships and losses endured by many Americans during the struggle for independence were not visited upon the signers alone, nor were they any less ruinous for having befallen people whose names are not immortalized on a piece of parchment. Sources: Bailyn, Bernard. The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution. Cambridge, MA: Belknap Press, 1992. ISBN 0-674-44302-0. Bobrick, Benson. Angel in the Whirlwind: The Triumph of the American Revolution. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1997. ISBN 0-684-81060-3. Ellis, Joseph J. Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2000. ISBN 0-375-70524-4. Ferris, Robert G. Signers of the Declaration of Independence. Flagstaff, AZ: Interpretive Publications, 1982. ISBN 0-936-47807-1. Maier, Pauline. American Scripture: Making the Declaration of Independence. New York: Random House, 1997. ISBN 0-679-77908-6. Wills, Garry. Inventing America: Jefferson's Declaration of Independence. New York: Vintage Books, 1979. ISBN 0-394-72735-5. Wright, Mike. What They Didn't Teach You About the American Revolution. Presidio Press, 1999. ISBN 0-891-41668-4.
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I wonder how far the OWO will go this time? Will the future leaders face Drone attacks, torture, families targeted?
My, how far we have come!
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The Battle to Claim the New West: Part I
The county power movement, as it’s called, is centered on some 70 western counties that are surrounded by the public domain and are defiantly declaring their independence. It’s a kind of mini-secessionist movement, charged by anger at federal authority and environmentalism. No better example of this insurgency can be found than in Wallowa County in eastern Oregon. Bounded on one side by Hells Canyon, the deepest gorge in the United States, and on the other by the serrated, snow-capped peaks of the Wallowa Mountains, Wallowa is one of the most remote and isolated counties in the nation—fifty miles of hard driving from the nearest highway. Forty years ago, ranching, logging and mining formed the economic backbone of Wallowa County. Over the past two decades, however, Wallowa County has been undergoing a dramatic structural transformation. First, the small sawmills closed, victims of their own rapacious appetite for old-growth Ponderosa pine, which had been nearly eliminated from the region’s mountains by the late 1980s. Then in the early 1990s, the corporate mills, owned by transnational timber giant Boise-Cascade moved out. While the corporate executives blamed the closures on environmental regulations and lawsuits, the prime factor was a desire to find more efficient locations (such as the forests of the Sierra Madre in Mexico) for their new high tech mills. Meanwhile, here in the heart of cowboy country, there are only 46 ranchers left in a county nearly the size of Delaware. And, according to one economic study, total farm income in Wallowa county represents only about eight percent of total employment. Of this, ranching represents less than two percent. For at least the past twenty years, the biggest single employer in Wallowa County (and most of the rural West, for that matter) is the federal government—in this case the Forest Service. Oh, the irony. Wallowa County’s demographics are also changing, Young people are fleeing the county for better paying jobs in Spokane, Boise and Portland. This is a phenomenon at work across the entire region. Indeed, the contemporary West is much more urban-centered than the East or the South. More than 80 percent of Westerners live in cities. As the children of ranchers, loggers and sawmill operators scramble towards the cities, new kinds of urban refugees are moving into the county. For example, the small town of Joseph, named after the famous Nez Perce Chief who was born in a cave near town, now resembles a kind of yuppie colony with art cooperatives, herb farms, an organic farmer’s market, designer coffee shops and microbrew pubs. In short, Joseph has become a vacation retreat, a wannabe Jackson, Wyoming. And the old timers don’t like it one bit. They fear rising property taxes, pressures from mortgage holders, displacement from traditional lifestyles. All they see are urban-transplants throwing cash around while they lose their jobs in dying industries. The way the town elders see it, it’s the federal government that’s to blame for their deprivation. In 1994, county residents voted to adopt an ordinance aimed at kicking the federal government off lands they insist belong to the state of Oregon, and in so doing, turned Wallowa County into a Firebase Charlie of the West’s war against the federales. Arleigh Isley, a local administrative law judge and one of the county fathers, declared at the time: “I have found nothing in the Constitution that provides for the federal government to own large tracts of land, nor have I found any amendment to the Constitution that could all it to do that. As a consequence I have to conclude they are doing it without proper authority.” Isley added that part of the law that set aside the public domain lands was “written in after Congress adjorned. They knew it was illegal!” So far, Wallowa County hasn’t taken any direct steps to enforce it ordinance. County commissioner Ben Bosworth, widely regarded as a lone moderate in county politics, explained why: “The day the election ended we could've had 200 people with guns on the courthouse lawn, saying let’s kick the bastards off. But the sheriff here is too much of a lapdog. So far we’ve just used the ordinance as a negotiating tool.” Deal Potter, a former chopper pilot in the Vietnam War who ran unsuccessfully for Wallowa County commissioner, is another keen adherent of county rule. In fact, Potter drafted the Wallowa County ordinance and organized a rally at which effigies of local environmentalists were hung from mock gallows. “I got a bunch of people together who said, we’ll just hang those enviros in effigy here, and so we just hung ‘em up in Joseph,” Potter said with a snicker. “Well, I found out that all you gotta do is take a bag of straw, put some old clothes on it, and put a name on it and, ****, you’ve got everybody in the United States wanting to talk to you.” The “War on the West” signs posted in windows and on telephone poles throughout the county were made by Potter, as were the “Bag Babbitt” bumperstickers that adorned nearly every Chevy two-ton truck in town. Potter thinks that the Endangered Species Act is more than just an environmental measure. “It’s become a tool to change the political system,” Potter said. “It’s a way to expand the authority of the federal government into completely new areas. It’s a tool for social engineering.” When asked if he didn’t feel some sympathy with commercial salmon fisherman, put out of business by declining runs of Chinook and coho, Potter said, without a trace of irony: “No, that’s just the price of doing business.” Potter also described sightings of “black helicopters” in Wallowa County. “I got calls from lots of worried folks, complaining about black helicopters hovering over their property,” Potter said. “They knew my background as a pilot. So I looked at them and they were DEA-type choppers. I think they were on loan to Babbitt’s Biological Survey, out there doing GIS mapping.” “A lot of people from the East view the West simply as their playground,” said Jim Walker, another unsuccessful candidate for Wallowa County commissioner. Walker, a Mormon with biceps the size of sledgehammers, operates a small ranch in the foothills of the Wallowa Mountains, where he also runs a mail order backpacking supply company. “They want a government provided playground,” he said. “And it’s not supposed to be that way. Every state is supposed to enter the Union on equal footing, which means that the state is to own and control the disposition of all the lands within its borders—just like out East. The only property the Feds are supposed to own here is the post office.” Isley, Potter and Walker are up-front county power advocates. They represent a growing and increasingly confrontational face of the Wise Use movement. It is a situation that makes some of the old-time Wise Use leaders squirm. Ron Arnold, for example, made haste to distance the mainstream property rights movement from the out-of-favor militia and county supremacy fanatics. “I deplore them,” said Arnold. “I think the notion of taking up arms to defend what we’re trying to defend is wrong-headed. It’s stupid. I tell them: Look, if you take up arms against the United States government it’s called insurrection. And you’d better be prepared to deal with the consequences, which will be quite severe.” Although Arnold gave a lively speech at the Joseph rally where the greens where hung in effigy, these days he doesn’t have any use for the county movement or its constitutionalist adherents. “I don’t know where people like Dick Carver are coming from,” Arnold said. He was referring to the Nye County, Nevada county commissioner who forced a confrontation with the federal government over the control of the public domain and has become something vigilante hero of the county rights crowd, speaking at rallies across the West, including the Jubilee Celebration, a convention of neo-Nazi and Christian racist groups in California. “Carver obviously hasn’t read very many legal documents from the time of the revolution, if he thinks the government has no authority to own those lands,” Arnold said. “Constitutionalists? I call them tub-thumpers. There are no lawyers associated with the Wise Use movement who do anything but shake their heads at these guys.” The attorneys general of Nevada, Oregon, Montana and New Mexico, four states where the county power movement is the most strident, have cited a wealth of case law that establishes federal precedent in contests with state and local governments over public lands. Up until the mid-1990s, the property rights movement had been a major public relations success, an image that was damaged after it became saddled with the unwelcome baggage of the militias. But even when taken apart from the ideological fringes, the property rights movement isn’t all that it appears to be. For most of the past hundred years the federal managers of the public lands have, if anything, maintained a beneficent relationship to the logging, mining and ranching interests they were meant to regulate and superintend. The federal agencies have bent over backwards to serve their interests: fixing fences, building roads, digging wells, constructing waterholes, killing predators, and building other “improvements” on the public range for the sole benefit of the ranchers who lease it at a fraction of what they would for commercially equivalent rangeland. Ranchers who possess federal grazing allotments are allowed to take those subsidized contracts and, using them as collateral, borrow from financial institutions, notably the federal farm and land banks, whose operations are insured by the federal taxpayers. Not only do public lands ranchers not pay market costs, the ranchers on BLM lands were allowed to sublease the public range out at a much higher rate, thereby taking for themselves the profit from this publicly-owned land. On top of that, 25 percent of the gross receipts from all commercial uses on the public lands is returned to the counties—hundreds of millions a year. The political power of the Western rancher is grossly disproportionate. In a time of blind budget cutting, their water and grazing subsidies remain sacrosanct. Moveover, in 1993 when Jim Baca, the reform-minded BLM chief of the early Clinton years, tried to make some modest changes in federal grazing policy, the ranchers rose up and engineered his ouster. Baca was replaced by Mike Dombeck, a man with a much friendlier disposition toward the ranching industry. In fact, Dombeck had authored an internal memo that circulated through the Interior Department suggesting that 100 million acres of BLM lands could either be returned to the states or sold off outright. As for the so-called constitutional underpinnings of the property rights and county supremacy movements, one need only consider that most of the federal land west of the 100th meridian is arid desert—worthless as property (though not habitat) without water. Yet the water rights that give the land economic value, whether for grazing, farming, mining or development as ski resorts, are controlled not by the federal government, but by the states. Wayne Hage, for example, howled about how the vast federal monolith was destroying his ranch in order for the environmentalists and their hidden Eastern money manipulators to get at his clear mountain water and sell it to greedy developers in Los Angeles. In fact, Hage offered up his own water to Las Vegas, which at the time was the fastest growing city in the West. In the most profound sense, the entire rhetorical construct of the property rights movement in West (which is distinct from the more elite property rights movement of the east coast) is a kind of tall tale, a game of make-believe. It is a PR-gambit, designed to transform the real anger and anxiety over the cratering economic conditions of the rural West into a forceful political movement that can be dominated, manipulated and, finally, no doubt, abandoned by the Republican rightwing, whose ties have always been with corporations not people. “The untold story here is that the Wise Use movement is really a front for rightwing politicians and multinational corporations,” said Jim Nelson, the former supervisor of the Toiyabe National Forest, who cracked down on Hage and other renegade ranchers. Admittedly, Hage, Jim Walker and Cliff Gardner weren’t making millions off of their federal range allotments. However, behind the ranchers lurk gold conglomerates, oil and gas companies, and developers poised to make tens of billions from the deregulation of public lands—entities with much less sympathetic public profiles than the Western rancher. That many of these ranchers aligned themselves in a political movement with transnational corporate forces, which, in the long run, also threaten their own interests, shows the real and resounding success of this public relations offensive, which expertly used the western rancher to put a more pleasing, almost mythological, face on the real forces seeking to capitalize on the property rights movement. That is not to say that these ranchers haven’t made an awful mess of the public range. As Edward Abbey wrote: “The rancher (with a few honorable exceptions) is a man who strings barbed wire all over the range; drills wells and bulldozes stock ponds; drives off elk and antelope and bighorn sheep; poisons coyotes and prairie dogs; shoots eagles, bears and cougars on sight; supplants the native grasses with tumbleweed, snakeweed, poverty weed, cowshit anthills, mud, dust and flies. And then leans back and grins at the TV cameras and talks about how he loves the American West.” A New West is coming. And in it the rancher appears to be a doomed species. This last spasm of resistance may turn out to little more than a kind of ghost-dancing, a violent nostalgia for a time long since past. The question is: into whose hands will the New West fall? The owners of the resurgent gold mines and the timber conglomerates or the transplanted urbanites escaping metropolitan blight—the new Western pioneers? To be continued…. Jeffrey St. Clair is the author of Been Brown So Long It Looked Like Green to Me: the Politics of Nature and Grand Theft Pentagon. His newest book, Born Under a Bad Sky, is published by AK Press / CounterPunch books. He can be reached at: sitka@comcast.net.
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Secession, County by County: Atlanta
Renewed push for mostly white suburbs to split off from Fulton County  Milton High School in Alpharetta, Ga., is seen in a 1970 photo. A bill sponsored by Georgia state Rep. Jan Jones, an Alpharetta Republican, would amend the Georgia Constitution to allow the return of Milton County. More... ATLANTA - In the cradle of the civil rights movement, a new secession effort is under way that would break off Atlanta's predominantly white, wealthy suburbs to the north from poorer, black neighborhoods in the south. There's a renewed push to take some suburbs out of Fulton County, Georgia's most populous and home to most of the city of Atlanta, and put them under the now-extinct Milton County. Its supporters hope resurrecting the county would give residents there more responsive government. But opponents say the measure is racially motivated and will open up a deep rift between black and white, rich and poor in a state with a complicated racial history. The area that would be split off is more than 75 percent white, while a large block of the remaining portion of Fulton County is 90 percent minority.
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Now instead of county by county imagine secession with community by community. This I believe can be done with a close knit network of pro white communities.
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Yes there are past decades with Great Heroes from the Past (Robert Matthews and David Lane spring to mind) but sadly they were just a little before their time. I'm certain that in the coming years OUR TIME WILL COME! 
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Local Communities
Local community involvement, without a practical Political machine is what has been lacking for decades; grouping together as PLE's, while increasing group awareness, does little to promote government involvement, not as infiltrators, but as members of the community who wish to take a role in the ways and means of the township or state in which they reside.
In the late 70's and early 80's, the Territorial Imperative did this very thing, and started out as a progressive necessity, rather than a militant directive; becoming Sheriffs and local lawyers, city council members and the like should, with time, become part of a larger State strategy, as is the way of every true citizen of a State.
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As a european, I think we need to become successful in the new enviroment of global communication to compete with the left. WNN is a step in the right direction.
Because of the internet, we have a unique opportunity to create a global movement for white survival. Many are working to build bridges between nationalists, but there are plenty of obstacles. Among them are the petty ideological and religious disagreements between the various 'movements within the movement', dedicated to some dogma which is completely irrelevant to the survival of our folk. Then there is the natural fact that you need different goals and rhetoric to succeed politically in different white nations. What works in Serbia will not work in Sweden. What we need is a common ideological platform where everyone agrees to compromise. I think we're communicating better now than ever. The people at the top have to put their egos in the drawer, and start communicating, travelling, cooperating. World wide white solidarity (a word I wish we'd recapture from our enemies)!
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We have one, Race; now we need to inculcate the 14 Words, and the nuts and bolts of a Political Party.
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