Agora: The murder of Hypatia of Alexandria

[aghivassien]

The fall of a civilization

A new amazing movie by Alejandro Amenábar, set in Alexandria of Roman Egypt on 391 A.D. concerning the fall of an entire civilization. The film is the story of the violent revolt of christian fanatic mobs in the streets of Alexandria which spills over into the city's famous Library. The brilliant Greek philosopher and astronomer Hypatia is murdered by the christians (because she was still worshiping the ancient gods) trying to save the wisdom of the Ancient World.
The murder of this great woman and philosopher was in fact the historical end of the Greek-Roman religion and the start of a long dark period for the western world. Philosophy never recovered in Alexandria and Egypt. Science too.
The scenery of this movie is MAGNIFISCENT. Really great artwork. You must watch this movie especially for the views of ancient Alexandria. Also, Rachel Weisz is a beautiful actor in the role of Hypatia.

If you wish to learn about Hypatia, I recommend you to read a book, before you watch the movie. I recommend the book "Hypatia of Alexandria" wretten by Maria Dzielska (Harvard University Press). This is the book that clarified the history of Hypatias murder.

YouTube- Official Agora Trailer English HD

YouTube- Official Agora Trailer English HD

[Davy Crockett]

Hapatia is one of greatest heros of the White Race.

Hapatia. During the fourth century A.D. there lived in Alexandria a lovely intellectual woman by the name of Hypatia, the daughter of Theon. She grew up in an ideal intellectual climate, since her father Theon was a teacher, a mathematician and a philosopher. He taught her astronomy, astrology, mathematics and rhetoric.

Beautiful, Intellectual, Athletic. Hapatia was born in the year 355 A.D. She grew up to be a tall, slim, beautiful woman. Not only was she highly gifted intellectually, but she was unusually athletic. By the time that she was 20 she could walk 10 miles without fatique, could swim, row, ride horseback and climb mountains. She had bodily grace, beauty of face, and above all an abundance of intelligence.

Exposed Superstitions. By the time she began giving lectures of her own, she began saying such things as "Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The child-mind accepts and believes them, and only after great pain and perhaps tragedy can he be in after-years relieved of them. In fact, men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth — often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."

Supported by Prefect. Orestes, who was the prefect of the city, attended her lectures. When in one lecture Hapatia stated, "To rule by fettering the mind through fear of punishment in another world is just as base as to use force," Orestea applauded her. News of this event was carried to Cyril, the then Bishop of Alexandria. He was infuriated and declared he would excommunicate Orestes.

Bishop Opposed Her. But neither Cyril nor Orestea could unseat each other, since both derived their power from Rome. The quarrel grew more acrimonious, with Bishop Cyril venting his pathological hatred more and more against Hypatia.

Viciously Attacked by Christian Mob. In March of 415 A.D., several years after Bishop Cyril came to power, when Hapatia was 60 years old, she left the lecture hall one night to enter a carriage and go home. She was viciously attacked by the Nitrian Monks leading a fanatical, hate filled Nitrian mob. After first stripping her naked, she was barbarously murdered. She was then dragged through the streets by the mob, her flesh cut from her bones and finally burned piecemeal.

Promoting Truth and Culture Her Only Crime. Her crime? She told the truth about unreasoned and supersitious lies, she promoted learning and culture, and thereby undermined the power of the tyrannical Nitrian power structure.

- Ben Klassen (WMB, page 472-474)

[Iconoclast]

This is a great thread. Thanks to aghivassien for starting it and to Davy Crockett, for the enlightening background information.

The great Library at Alexandria was probably the greatest treasure of the Earth.

Iconoclast

[Alexander Hamilton]

Thanks for the heads up on this one. Is now saved in my Netflix Queue !

[Berserker88]

This doesn't fit into the multicultural mold. They should have got beonce to star in it

[Berserker88]

Seriously though, its so sad all the knowledge that was lost. I'm sure our best guess doesn't even come close to just how vast the collection of the library was.

[Keltoi]

Not to rain on the parade, but it infuriates me, just as in other 'classical' or musical venues, that the 'role model' of the leading actress, Rachel Weiss, is a semite, non-european, and even though I find her acting ability quite entertaining, it seems that on more occasions than not, OUR stories, OUR history, keeps getting told through the mouths of 'strangers' and is, therefore, most often than not, skewed in its delivery.

It is like having 'negroes' playing Siegfried, in Gotterdamerung, as well as the non-european 'critics', at the same time, attacking Wagner for even writing the Score.

Other than that, I support this type of Historiology, especially on the Big Screen.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Originally Posted by Keltoi

Not to rain on the parade, but it infuriates me, just as in other 'classical' or musical venues, that the 'role model' of the leading actress, Rachel Weiss, is a semite, non-european, and even though I find her acting ability quite entertaining, it seems that on more occasions than not, OUR stories, OUR history, keeps getting told through the mouths of 'strangers' and is, therefore, most often than not, skewed in its delivery.

It is like having 'negroes' playing Siegfried, in Gotterdamerung, as well as the non-european 'critics', at the same time, attacking Wagner for even writing the Score.

Other than that, I support this type of Historiology, especially on the Big Screen.

She is indeed Jewish.

The Guardian profile: Rachel Weisz | UK news | The Guardian
... there is not an English chromosome in Weisz's DNA, as her central European appearance suggests. Rachel Weisz's father was a Hungarian inventor of medical devices, her mother a psychoanalyst from Vienna - both Jewish escapees from the Holocaust.

[Ryan J. Murdough]

Hypatia - Biography of Hypatia

Hypatia was the daughter of Theon of Alexandria who was a teacher of mathematics with the Museum of Alexandria in Egypt. A center of Greek intellectual and cultural life, the Museum included many independent schools and the great library of Alexandria.


Hypatia studied with her father, and with many others including Plutarch the Younger. She herself taught at the Neoplatonist school of philosophy. She became the salaried director of this school in 400. She probably wrote on mathematics, astronomy and philosophy, including about the motions of the planets, about number theory and about conic sections.
Hypatia corresponded with and hosted scholars from others cities. Synesius, Bishop of Ptolemais, was one of her correspondents and he visited her frequently. Hypatia was a popular lecturer, drawing students from many parts of the empire.

From the little historical information about Hypatia that survives, it appears that she invented the plane astrolabe, the graduated brass hydrometer and the hydroscope, with Synesius of Greece, who was her student and later colleague.

Hypatia dressed in the clothing of a scholar or teacher, rather than in women's clothing. She moved about freely, driving her own chariot, contrary to the norm for women's public behavior. She exerted considerable political influence in the city.
Orestes, the governor of Alexandria, like Hypatia, was a pagan (non-Christian). Orestes was an adversary of the new Christian bishop, Cyril, a future saint. Orestes, according to the contemporary accounts, objected to Cyril expelling the Jews from the city, and was murdered by Christian monks for his opposition.

Cyril probably objected to Hypatia on a number of counts: She represented heretical teachings, including experimental science and pagan religion. She was an associate of Orestes. And she was a woman who didn't know her place. Cyril's preaching against Hypatia is said to have been what incited a mob led by fanatical Christian monks in 415 to attack Hypatia as she drove her chariot through Alexandria. They dragged her from her chariot and, according to accounts from that time, stripped her, killed her, stripped her flesh from her bones, scattered her body parts through the streets, and burned some remaining parts of her body in the library of Caesareum.
Hypatia's students fled to Athens, where the study of mathematics flourished after that. The Neoplatonic school she headed continued in Alexandria until the Arabs invaded in 642. When the library of Alexandria was burned by the Arab conquerors, used as fuel for baths, the works of Hypatia were destroyed. We know her writings today through the works of others who quoted her -- even if unfavorably -- and a few letters written to her by contemporaries.

[Davy Crockett]

Originally Posted by Ryan J. Murdough

Cyril probably objected to Hypatia on a number of counts: She represented heretical teachings, including experimental science and pagan religion. She was an associate of Orestes.

Hypatia is one of my heroes.





Here again is her two most famous qoutes:


"To rule by fettering the mind through fear of punishment in another world is just as base as to use force."

"Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fancies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The child-mind accepts and believes them, and only after great pain and perhaps tragedy can he be in after-years relieved of them. In fact, men will fight for a superstition quite as quickly as for a living truth — often more so, since a superstition is so intangible you cannot get at it to refute it, but truth is a point of view, and so is changeable."

[Iconoclast]

The fact that Cyril is a christian saint today is enough to condemn the Christian church today!

The primary focus of the christian church is saving souls of any race or culture, not saving either western culture or the white race.

That is why the Christian Church would revere a monster like St. Cyril who, to promote his religion, had no qualms about seriously damaging the Great Library of Alexandria, the chief repository of western, white culture, in the world at the time. Nor did he have qualms about murdering one of the greatest white women of all time.

Iconoclast

[Ryan J. Murdough]

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The fact that Cyril is a christian saint today is enough to condemn the Christian church today!

The primary focus of the christian church is saving souls of any race or culture, not saving either western culture or the white race.

That is why the Christian Church would revere a monster like St. Cyril who, to promote his religion, had no qualms about seriously damaging the Great Library of Alexandria, the chief repository of western, white culture, in the world at the time. Nor did he have qualms about murdering one of the greatest white women of all time.

Iconoclast

Which Christian Church is revering Cyril? I hadn't even heard of him until last night. Saving souls of any race is not necessarily a bad thing. Theological error has caused today's Christian Church to promote multiculturalism but debating religion only ends up being divisive on message boards.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Folks, this movie has caused a lot of controversy even outside of Nationalist circles. However, White News Now has a policy: Christians are not to attack Pagans and Pagans are not to attack Christians. And that goes for Hindus, Buddhists, Athiests and Agnostics and anyone I am forgetting. I have already warned Jamie about this thread and if we can't adhere to those rules I will have to go to him again. PLEASE learn to agree to disagree and NOT discuss it here.

[Quinn]

Originally Posted by Alexander Hamilton

Folks, this movie has caused a lot of controversy even outside of Nationalist circles. However, White News Now has a policy: Christians are not to attack Pagans and Pagans are not to attack Christians. And that goes for Hindus, Buddhists, Athiests and Agnostics and anyone I am forgetting. I have already warned Jamie about this thread and if we can't adhere to those rules I will have to go to him again. PLEASE learn to agree to disagree and NOT discuss it here.

I totally agree. We're all here for a positive reason. Of course we'll have or disagreements time-to-time, but as it say's above, we can learn to "agree to disagree" on some points. Lets celebrate the fact that we're all in this together!

[Alexander Hamilton]

Originally Posted by Quinn

I totally agree. We're all here for a positive reason. Of course we'll have or disagreements time-to-time, but as it say's above, we can learn to "agree to disagree" on some points. Lets celebrate the fact that we're all in this together!

Bango... Bongo... Bingo to quote Jamie!