Thread: Tottenham, north London, blacks riot, looting, violence, burned patrol cars, a bus and shops

Second night of violence in London – and this time it was organised
8 August 2011

Police deployed to deal with trouble in Enfield and Brixton, plus reports of disturbances in Dalston and Walthamstow

There was mounting evidence on Sunday night that some of the second night of rioting in London was part of an orchestrated plan, as violent disturbances broke out sporadically across parts of the capital.

Police in riot gear were deployed across the city to deal with trouble in Enfield, six miles north of the site of riots in Tottenham, while looters later pillaged shops in Brixton.

The scenes in Enfield, while reminiscent of Saturday night's clashes, were smaller in scale, and they took place from about 7pm.

Teenagers gathered on St Andrews Road – said to have been a preplanned destination – broke down walls on terraced streets so they could collect bricks to throw at police. About a dozen shops were ransacked and a police car smashed on Church Street. Riot police moved in to secure the area and train station.

Shortly after 8.30pm, a crowd of about 100 mainly teenage boys broke into a jewellery store. When police arrived less than a minute later, there were chaotic scenes, with a number of people struck with batons and attacked by dogs.

Resident Mizu Rahman, 34, said a plainclothes police officer had told him at around 2pm that there was intelligence that disorder was imminent. "The officer came down the street warning us there would be trouble," he said. "He showed me his ID. He said, 'Do you live here?' I said yes. He said, 'St Andrews Road is going to be the frontline tonight'."

There was no obvious reason why the rioting should have spread to Enfield, which is in the outskirts of north London.

Rahman, an engineer, said he had seen a message on Facebook that Enfield would be "next on the hitlist".

At 9.30pm, Met police and reinforcements from Kent began turning the whole of Enfield into a sterile area. Hundreds of riot police arrived with vans and police dogs, charging at groups of teenagers, who melted into sidestreets. They smashed cars and shop windows as they ran.

Some teenagers knew exactly where they were heading, saying the plan was to go to Ponders End. A large crowd of youths then sprinted west, attacking a retail park and shops. Among them was a closed Tesco Extra store. Workers inside described hearing windows smashing as dozens of youths poured into the store. "They left carrying TVs, alcohol – they were stuffing trolleys," said one supermarket worker.

Unlike the previous night's disturbances, riot police were on the scene in large numbers. Their stance was also more aggressive, with baton charges and dogs used to disperse crowds.

At 11pm, on a nearby road called Elizabeth Ride, a young man was stabbed under the arm. He could walk to an ambulance but his friends refused to talk to police and disappeared, shouting: "Why would we talk to feds? You're the reason this is happening."

Amid evidence that locals were turning against the rioters, one young woman, aged about 20, was in tears, shouting: "What are you doing? Is this how you pay your respects to Mark? Is this what he would have wanted?"

The leader of Enfield council, Doug Taylor said he believed disturbances there were linked to events in Tottenham. He said: "There's got to be a link to that extent that it's the day after and the police are hugely well organised in Tottenham so maybe this was seen as the place to have a second night."

In Brixton, crowds attending a daytime festival were good-natured but gangs of youths ransacked shops in the area as darkness fell. Branches of Vodafone, Footlocker and H&M were all targeted by looters, who made off in scooters and cars. Police in riot gear were pushing people up Brixton High Street at around 1am.

Elsewhere, there were reports of disturbances in areas including Dalston and Walthamstow.

The latter area's local Labour MP, Stella Creasy, said that branches of Argos, BHS and Barclays were all attacked, while angry locals said that looters asked them for directions to shops and banks.

The Metropolitan police said on Twitter on Sunday night: "Police are responding to a significant amount of criminal activity across London and are deploying officers to tackle it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...ield-organised

London riots: Looting and violence continues

Officers had been attacked and a number of police vehicles had been damaged, the Metropolitan Police said.

A Footlocker shop in Brixton, south London, was set on fire while other nearby stores were looted.

Three officers were hurt when a vehicle hit them as they tried to make an arrest in Waltham Forest, east London.

Disorder has also been reported in Enfield, Walthamstow and other parts of the capital.

Clashes broke out in Enfield, north London, on Sunday evening where shop windows were smashed and a police car damaged.

'Copycat activity'

Several arrests were made but police said the situation there had now been contained.

There have been reports of a gang of up to 200 youths looting shops and charging police in Coldharbour Lane and the High Street in Brixton, south London.

The Met said it had dealt with several incidents of "copycat criminal activity" across the city.

A Footlocker store was one of several shops looted in Brixton

These included:

• Three officers injured after being hit by a vehicle in Chingford Mount, Waltham Forest, at about 00:45 BST
• More than 30 youths vandalising and looting a number of shops in Walthamstow and Waltham Forest
• Vandalism carried out by about 50 youths in Oxford Circus, central London
• A police vehicle being attacked in Islington, north London
• A Tesco store in Ponders End being attacked and items stolen

Journalist Padraic O'Brien told BBC 5 live he had witnessed widespread looting in Brixton.

He said: "They smashed a William Hill, they set bins on fire, etc...

"And now what we're seeing as the night progresses is that replicated, sort of flashpoints all along Brixton High Street.

"I've seen a Vodafone looted, I've seen a Footlocker looted and set on fire, I've seen Marks & Spencers attacked.

"I've seen a striking number of mobile phone stockists that have been targeted.

"I'm standing outside Halfords on the other side of the road and they've just smashed through the doors of Halfords. They're taking bikes out the front entrance.

"I have to say, what really struck me was the small number of police officers that there actually seem to be on Brixton High Street responding to this."

Rhoda Dakar also saw the trouble in Brixton.

He said: "I saw smoke coming from one side of the railway bridge. The was a strong toxic smell in the air.

"Youths were looting and running with poles - at that point I chose to leave and go home.

"You could tell youths were just out there waiting for something to happen."

Met Police Commander Christine Jones said: "This is a challenging situation with small pockets of violence, looting and disorder breaking out in a number of boroughs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14439970

Originally Posted by INVIKTUS

Yes, justice.

I'm Ashamed to be be British, I would love to become an american. But I'm not too keen on your president at the moment, but our government is laughable, can you believe all our mp's including our prime minister are on their six week holiday, lazyness! it's a disgrace.
The thugs are mocking us good white british.

London riots, rural theft

As most of London gets ready to return to work after a weekend of rioting by a small minority, Britain’s biggest rural insurer reports that a sharp increase in crime is also blighting the countryside.

NFU Mutual – formerly the National Farmers’ Union financial arm – says claims for theft jumped by nearly 20pc last year to a total of £50m.

But this analysis of policyholders’ claims reveals something more interesting than an equality of misery between rural and urban lawlessness.

While some politicians – including former London Mayor Ken Livingstone – blame the latest Tottenham riots on Government spending cuts and social division, the type of property being stolen points in another direction. While there is no doubt that the credit crisis and economic recession are hitting many families hard – as reported recently, among others, by the Governor of the Bank of England – urban and rural thieves show a marked preference for electrical goods or other expensive items rather than the necessities of life.

Witnesses to rioting in north London report sports shops being targeted, including bizarre scenes of looters casually trying on branded footware before shuffling off with their new acquisitions. Digital games and hi fi equipment – not food – were on thieves’ shopping lists elsewhere in the capital last night.

Similarly, the NFU Mutual Rural Crime Survey reports that the most popular targets for rural thieves were not livestock or crops but chainsaws, electric drills and lawnmowers. Significantly, more than four in 10 respondents to the survey said policing levels and the low likelihood of being caught played a part in the increase in rural thefts.

So the shocking increase in urban and rural crime may have more in common than meets the eye. Neither is motivated by need so much as greed. Both are encouraged by criminals’ expectation that they are likely to get away with it.

But, lest that sound like a counsel of despair, the chief executive of NFU Mutual, Lindsay Sinclair points out a reason to be cheerful. He said: “Whether it’s the recession or the rise in oil, meat and scrap metal prices, countryside people are feeling the blight of rural crime on their land.

“However, country people are not taking this scourge lying down. We’ve already seen that by working with police organised rural crime can be tackled head-on. A united front against crime in the countryside will help to protect communities from being targeted further with vigilance as the watchword.”

That’s as true in the city and its suburbs as it is anywhere else in Britain. Attempts to justify looting as a symptom of economic recession are mistaken and misleading. Crime is a problem across the whole country and the most effective solutions will be those supported by local communities; the victims of theft and lawlessness.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...o-be-cheerful/

They call this thing a 'protest', but this manipulative use of language and selective employment of facts by the media astonishes me, since it is well apparent that Duggan was a 'gangsta'. What is in doubt is whether he had a firearm on him at the time that Scotland Yard stopped him. There is nothing of civil interest in this flare up either way. This is not about 'police brutality' and these are weak terms to couch it in, even if it is only suggested. This was one thing -- NEGRO AGGRESSION. It took the shooting of this piece of garbage as validation for going off; trashing Tottenham; looting and plundering. It drew in outsiders, social media helped arrange it, and rather than call in the English equivalent of the Home Guard, which is what SHOULD have happened, they did the usual chicken**** thing and absorbed it with their united plods.
Negro wins again: crime is now elevated to a holier status than the law. This criminal is a martyr, and for what? CRACK DEALING?

According to the "Globe and Mail" in Toronto Tottenham is a "Gritty and diverse Neighborhood", and it is the "Youths" and a few "opportunistic criminals" Who are rioting.

HOME Secretary Theresa May tonight revealed 215 people have been arrested as riots broke out across London for a third day.

May, who cut short her holiday and returned to Britain today, slammed the unrest — saying those responsible will "face the consequences of their action". Twenty-five suspects have been charged so far.She spoke as a series of "copycat" riots broke out in several more boroughs across the capital in the wake of the weekend's initial trouble in Tottenham.

Hackney, Lewisham. Stratford, Brixton, Streatham, Enfield, Walthamstow, Islington and central London's Oxford Circus were targeted.
Shops in Enfield and the nearby A10 retail park were vandalised and vehicles were set ablaze.

Mounted police were seen chasing groups of youths who had their faces covered while lines of riot police braced themselves for trouble.

Council leader Doug Taylor said: "There is no justification for such behaviour. It is important now that the whole community pulls together, remains calm and moves forward."

In Brixton, the windows of a Gamesmaster store were also smashed - video games and consoles littered the pavement.

Six fire engines raced to deal with a fire at a nearby Foot Locker shop while riot police clashed with looters at a Currys store.

In Hackney lorries were looted and their pallets broken up to be hurled at lines of riot police. Buses were attacked and mobs set fire to cars while shops were smashed up.

Around 50 youths gathered in Oxford Circus and caused damage to property.

More than 30 youths — many hiding their faces with masks — vandalised and looted shops including a BHS in central Walthamstow.

The windscreen of a police car was smashed amid disturbances in Islington.

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg — in charge of the country while David Cameron is on holiday — is expected to meet cops and ministers to discuss the weekend's violence.

He later condemned the rioting, saying it had "absolutely nothing to do with the death" of Mark Duggan, 29 — shot by police last Thursday.

Mr Clegg added: "It was needless, opportunistic theft and violence — nothing more, nothing less. And it is completely unacceptable."

Scotland Yard said that the looting was carried out by "small and mobile" groups.

Unrest spread across the capital after a peaceful protest about the shooting turned violent.

Ms May's return to the UK comes amid growing anger over senior politicians and top cops failing to cut short their holidays despite this weekend's violence.

London Mayor Boris Johnson was slammed for refusing to come back to deal with the crisis in the capital but it was announced later today he would be returning after all. Tottenham's Chief Superintendent Sandra Looby was also criticised for jetting off just before violence erupted in her borough on Saturday night.

Kit Malthouse, deputy mayor for policing in the capital, had originally defended Mr Johnson's absence, saying: "Should he be reacting to these criminal provocateurs in that way by coming back? I think that is kind of rewarding them.

"Modern communications mean he can stay in touch and participate in meetings from around the globe."

Mr Malthouse also insisted that London was one of the "safest big cities on Earth". And he added that the violence was sparked by a small group of people "looking for stuff to nick".

He denied that the resignations last month of Scotland Yard Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson and Assistant Commissioner John Yates in the wake of the phone-hacking scandal had contributed to gaps in decision-making at the top of the force.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh admitted this morning that there were too few officers in Tottenham on Saturday night.

He said social networking sites such as Twitter had given looters a platform: "Social media and other methods have been used to organise these levels of greed and criminality."

Mr Kavanagh pledged that more officers would be on London's streets tonight to prevent or tackle further outbreaks.

He said: "There will be even more officers out, even more committed and brave than they have been thus far, to make sure London stays as safe as possible."

Scotland Yard said at least nine officers were injured, including three who were taken to hospital after being hit by a fast-moving vehicle at 12.45am.

The officers had been making arrests in Chingford Mount, Waltham Forest, after a shop was looted by youths.

Police said 16 people have been charged with offences including burglary, theft, and violent disorder.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...don-riots.html

London on lockdown and Cameron flies home: Police face gangs armed with petrol bombs and poles on THIRD night of riots and cynical looting

8th August 2011

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-carnival.html


Rioting, violence and looting has spread from Tottenham, to Wood Green, Enfield Town, Chingford Mount, Ponders End, Dalston Kingsland, Denmark Hill, Chelsea, Walthamstow, Islington, Oxford Circus, Brixton, Streatham, Croydon, Hackney, Peckham, Lewisham.

(Some of the crimes include)

• Islington: The windscreen of a police vehicle was smashed out as groups of youths caused a disturbance in Islington during the night of 7 August.
• Oxford Circus: Overnight, the evening's violence spread to Oxford Circus, central London, as about 50 youths gathered, and damaged some local property.
• Waltham Cross, Hertfordshire:Looters and rioters attacked two police cars and two jewellers in Waltham Cross High Street at around 9:50pm. A specialist public order unit was sent to the area, along with sections of the Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Police Dog Unit.
• Streatham: the T Mobile, JD Sports and other shops were ransacked. Councillor Mark Bennett said the owner of one store in Streatham High Road was hospitalised after a mob attacked the shop.
• Dalston: Looting was reported at Kingsland shopping centre in Dalston including JD Sports and Foot Locker.
• Denmark Hill: A gangland fight broke out at King's College Hospital at about 8.30 pm, where two victims of a minor stabbing had been admitted earlier

8 August

In the third day of riots and looting

By 07:59 the Metropolitan Police Commander Christine Jones said: "This is a challenging situation with small pockets of violence, looting and disorder breaking out on a number of boroughs."Jewellery stores across Tottenham, Enfield and Wood Green have all suffered break-ins, Professional Jewellers reported. The Victoria line was closed between Stockwell and Brixton "due to civil unrest", according LUL. Angel, Islington, Stoke Newington and Wood Green were in police lockdown.

(Some of the crimes include)

Enfield and Ponders End

On the morning of 8 August, several shops in Enfield Town and in the nearby A10retail park were vandalised and looted, and there were reports of two vehicles set on fire. A large crowd of youths moved westwards, toward nearby Ponders End and wrecked a local Tesco.Hundreds of riot police and canine units arrived with vans and charging at groups of teenagers until disappeared into local side streets, smashing cars and shop windows on the way. Looting had spread to Enfield.

Walthamstow and Walthamstow Central

Over 30 youths wrecked and looted shops, including a branch of BHS, in Walthamstow Central on the morning of 8 August. Looting had spread to Walthamstow.

Chingford Mount

Three police officers hospitalized after being hit by a fast-moving vehicle in Chingford Mount, Waltham Forest, at 00.45 on 8 August. The officers had started making arrests after a shop was in the process of being looted by youths.

Hackney

Sporadic skirmishes were reported to have occurred between police and groups of young people in the area around Mare Street, Hackney.There are also reports of petrol bombs being thrown and youths throwing bottles and contents of bins. Some bins have also been set on fire. Disturbances on-going in Hackney as the mounted and riot police charge retreating gangs. Cars were on fire.

Croydon

Police closed the entire area around West Croydon station on the evening of 8 August. Bricks, bottles and stones were thrown at police, and an Argos store was broken into and looted. A large furniture store was set alight.

Other areas

(Some of the crimes include)

• Peckham: At 19.19, a 171 bus and a row of terraces contains a Gregg's which is next to the blaze in Peckham. A police helicopter was overhead.
• Bethnal Green: Running battles with police occurred in Bethnal Green.
• Chelsea: Looters broke into an antiques store in King's Road.
• Lewisham: Sporadic rioting occurred in Lewisham that evening, but it was quickly defeated by riot police.
• Barnet: Sporadic night time riots in Barnet.
• Streatham: Sporadic night time riots in Streatham.
• Clapham: Sporadic night time riots in Clapham.
• Islington: Sporadic night time riots in Islington.
• Birmingham: In Birmingham city centre a BBC camera crew reported having been threatened with mugging if they did not leave.Reports have arisen that buildings, among them the Orange and t-mobile shops, the Pallasades shopping centre, and the Bullring, have been targetted and looted.
• Leeds: 100 youths gathered after a man was shot in the face.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_London_riots

Race of the rioters? I'm guessing mostly Muslims from the 3rd world?

Originally Posted by Mr Frosty

Race of the rioters? I'm guessing mostly Muslims from the 3rd world?

One veteran Labour MP, who sits on the home affairs select committee, warned that a "toxic mix" of poor policing of black and minority ethnic communities and social deprivation was a key factor in fuelling the violence.

David Winnick, the MP for Walsall North, said: "The responsibility of parliamentarians – and this has been led by my colleague the Tottenham MP David Lammy – is to condemn without hesitation the violence, the outright hooliganism and the copycat efforts being made."

But Winnick added: "The fact that hooligans have climbed on the bandwagon does not alter the fact that despite the progress which undoubtedly has been made between the police and communities where there is a relatively high percentage of black people, relations are not as good as they should be. There are accusations, we have heard it on the home affairs select committee, that black people are stopped and searched more often. That can hardly be done on the basis that they are terrorist suspects. If you add to that continuing deprivation, growing unemployment, a feeling of lack of opportunity, it makes a pretty toxic mix."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...-mps-toxic-mix


I believe they are predominantly Afro Caribbean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...bean_community

I found this:

Disorders can root in the growth of ethnic crime in the districts where the Somali drug mafia puts the squeeze on South-Asian expats and the Turkish criminal groups fight against Caribbean gangsters. The ethnic districts express growing discontent with harsh police actions. Police, on their part, complain about reduced financing and despondency after the dismissals of the Scotland Yard leadership following the scandal over the News of the World.

The current outbreak of violence was triggered by the death of Mark Duggan from Tottenham, presumably a member of a street gang linked with Jamaica crime.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/08/08/54365457.html

You see, blacks are so deprived, that the must riot, loot, commit arson, and other every crime possible.

Theyve even already made a movie about it, but 'i think the libs over emphasised on the intellect of the rioters

Blacks and Arabs Riot in London

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/viol...-north-london/ Violence Erupts in North London

• Posted on August 6, 2011 at 7:41pm

AP
Two police cars, a bus, and local businesses have been set ablaze as riots have erupted in Tottenham, a northern area of Greater London. BBC video coverage of the damage and protests:
BBC News reports on what has led to the major disturbance:

“The incident began after a protest over the fatal shooting of a young man by police on Thursday turned violent.
About 300 people have gathered outside the police station on the High Road.
Members of the community had taken to the streets to demand ‘justice’ after the shooting of a 29-year-old father-of-four, named locally as Mark Duggan.
The BBC’s Ben Ando, who is at the scene, described the situation as a ‘stand off’.”

AP
The Guardian has reported that protesters have also attacked and set fire to several shops, and that rioters are armed with makeshift missiles in the center of Tottenham.

“At one point, rioters broke through police ranks and attempted to storm Tottenham’s police station, pelting officers with bricks and bottles.
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said the trouble began when ‘missiles’ were thrown at parked patrol cars at 8.30pm. He said one was pushed, blazing, into the middle of Tottenham High Street. Neither of the two officers who had been driving the cars were injured.
As the violence spread, a double decker bus was set upon. Witnesses said the vehicle exploded in flames after attackers threw home made bombs through its windows. Nearby shops were also set ablaze.
Hundreds of residents gathered to watch the unrest and there several were reports of attacks on bystanders. At one point rioters were seen beating up a man attempting to take film footage of the scene.”

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Arabs and Blacks rioting over the police shooting of a Black criminal.

The "blessings" of Diversity.

London is burning. It is truly bruning but I am smiling. Why am I smiling you may ask?

Today, they showed their true colours. The media cna lie all they want, it makes no difference. Both race and creed no longer feel safe in their homes. They burnt down a 30 year old business establishment, raided betting shops and set ablaze across London and Birmingham.

Today, my brethren arise a phoneix from the ashes. Today arises a unity I have never seen. Today arises, Nationalism. Nothing brings nationalist interests like chaos. I fully predict that our governments ineptidtude will bring about a change like no other. The US collapse, the riots, the looting.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure the government will use this oppourtunity to set curfews and send in the military. They will take control but it is simply the government showing its nature.

Today Britains nationalism will grow. Its anger will grow. What we have predicted is finally coming. Who knows what the future will hold but my brethren. We were not wrong. Prepare brothers and sisters, prepare.

When London is burning, you know **** is truely hitting the fan. I raise a glass to my western and eastern newsmen. Let the chaos come for we shall rise from its ashes.

I am sorry to see a great city falling to uncivilized beasts. The pictures tell the story.

London riots: Croydon residents leap from burning buildings as capital burns

Witnesses described seeing every single shop window smashed along London Road – the main thoroughfare in the borough – as gangs of “marauding youths” left a trail of carnage, unchallenged by police. Alan McCabe, landlord of Old Fox and Hounds pub in Croydon, said a mob of around 200 swept through the area.
“It kicked off very quickly, and we tried moving people out the pub as fast as possible,” he said.
“We blocked up the front doors and moved them out the back. I ripped off all the spirits off the optic behind the bar, so that if anyone did break in they couldn’t be used as Molotovs.
"I have never seen such a disregard for human life

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...tal-burns.html