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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Frosty View Post
    Nobody wants to do machining/tool and die anymore, and I'm not gonna lie, its not an easy trade to get started in, the learning curve is straight uphill for a few years. It is probably one of the hardest, if not THE hardest skilled trade to learn.
    I love machining. My favorite job of all time. After two years, I was doing set ups, writing my own units. I broke a few tools, but never crashed a machine which is unheard of.

    The only problem I've had is that I live in a white collar community where there are few shops and low pay. The guys I worked with were some of the best people I've ever worked with, but the management was terrible. They started indiscriminately firing people a few years back and I decided to find something else.

    I am a much better welder than I am a machinist. I am currently doing an apprenticeship at my work for machining, not enough skilled machinists, so they have to train some people from the bottom up, because they cannot find enough people to replace the old guys with 30+ years experience when they retire.

    At my work, they want every single part square within .02 MM which is a very high tolerance to keep and honestly I cannot figure out a consistent way to produce parts to hold that kind of tolerance. The old guy training me says he can hit that every time and know its right without even checking it. And he pulled a part off his table, ran a dial across it and it was perfect. One little burr you can barely feel with your finger or maybe not feel it at all, or a speck of metal shaving in the vice and screw you out of a .02 squareness tolerance. It drives me nuts because I repeat the same step I do on one part and nail it, then do it again, go over to check it and its .05 out and then I have to sit there and fight with it for another 30 minutes to get it square. .02 MM is less than 1 thousandth of an inch BTW, and I think most milling machines are only good for a half thousandth so they expect you to get that within almost the maximum working tolerance of the machine, repeatedly. Ive been at this for 2 months and I still can't even consistently get a block square. This is what I mean by the curve being straight up hill.
    .02 mm would be about 8 tenths of an inch. The only things we would have to keep that kind of tolerance on were bores or on a turn, both are difficult to do on a mill in comparison to a lathe.

    There are a lot of factors that could effect tolerance. I don't know what you are making or what kind of machine or tooling you are using. And you probably don't want to get too detailed on a public forum because of company specific information, but here are some thoughts off the top of my head.

    How often does the old guy index his tools?

    How much tension does he put on the fixture? Too much and the part will expand when you take it out. Too little and the part will fly out of the fixture.

    Does he use a torque wrench? You can be more accurate with the amount of tension you are putting on the fixture with one of those.

    Are there multiple operations? Any time you have to stop and move a part in a fixture can change the tolerance. You could have a tool in the first operation messing up something on the second op.

    You mentioned a clean fixture, so I don't need to tell you that.

    I don't know what kind of finish you have to have on the part, but if you are cutting them too small, a little emery paper (sand paper) can change the tolerance by that small an amount. That might save you some scrap.

    Like I said, I don't really know what you are working on, those are just some general thoughts that come to mind. And don't beat yourself up. Once you get this, you'll be able to mill just about anything.

    Don't ask me why I wrote all this... it's nice to think about this stuff for me, though.

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    As I was saying before, I am a stay at home mom right now, but that will probably change in a couple of months. Right now, though, I'm cherishing time with my family.

    (Just an update as I had my son on August 5, 2011.)
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    I love machining. My favorite job of all time. After two years, I was doing set ups, writing my own units. I broke a few tools, but never crashed a machine which is unheard of.

    The only problem I've had is that I live in a white collar community where there are few shops and low pay. The guys I worked with were some of the best people I've ever worked with, but the management was terrible. They started indiscriminately firing people a few years back and I decided to find something else.



    .02 mm would be about 8 tenths of an inch. The only things we would have to keep that kind of tolerance on were bores or on a turn, both are difficult to do on a mill in comparison to a lathe.

    There are a lot of factors that could effect tolerance. I don't know what you are making or what kind of machine or tooling you are using. And you probably don't want to get too detailed on a public forum because of company specific information, but here are some thoughts off the top of my head.

    How often does the old guy index his tools?

    How much tension does he put on the fixture? Too much and the part will expand when you take it out. Too little and the part will fly out of the fixture.

    Does he use a torque wrench? You can be more accurate with the amount of tension you are putting on the fixture with one of those.

    Are there multiple operations? Any time you have to stop and move a part in a fixture can change the tolerance. You could have a tool in the first operation messing up something on the second op.

    You mentioned a clean fixture, so I don't need to tell you that.

    I don't know what kind of finish you have to have on the part, but if you are cutting them too small, a little emery paper (sand paper) can change the tolerance by that small an amount. That might save you some scrap.

    Like I said, I don't really know what you are working on, those are just some general thoughts that come to mind. And don't beat yourself up. Once you get this, you'll be able to mill just about anything.

    Don't ask me why I wrote all this... it's nice to think about this stuff for me, though.
    I was laid off a couple weeks ago. Things got slow, and there wasn't much welding to be done. I am not a good enough machinist to be a full time machinist at this place, and most of the work they were doing was high level machining work, far beyond my know how. This really wasn't the right company to be in to get machinist training either. It doesn't seem that many shops if any are willing to train anyone in this field, even considering the shortage of skilled machinists.

    There was one part they expected me to make that had a D broached hole, and other holes on the part worked off the dimension of that D hole, and they had to be + or - .02 MM for position, and the part had to be square with the D hole within .02MM. Not only that but it had 2 reamed holes that needed to be within 0 - +.02 MM as well as be on a position tolerance. Lots of areas to screw up on that. Just by appearance it looked like a simple part. I basically had to get the part to square first, edge find it, drill the hole undersize then broach the D slot to size, and then take a dial indicator and find the center of the D hole and zero it. Then work over and do the reamed holes from there. If it wasn't such a high tolerance, the part would have been very easy.

    Also on reamed holes, I was always told you center drill it first then step drill it 1/32 under, then 1/64th under before you run that reamer through, so you know your hole is straight. Or go .5 under then .2 under if you use metric. They specifically told me not to do that. I don't claim to know everything but they told me to just punch a drill .2 under size then ream it, saying center drill and step drilling was a waste of time. I never had a problem hitting tolerances with a reamer doing it the way above, as long as I had a good sharp reamer and used some oil. But doing it their way was a hit or a miss for me and ended up just costing me time instead of saving it.

    As for why they needed those kinds of tolerances, there were lots of milled slots, squareness and flatness tolerances that needed to be spot on. You have to consider the multiplication of errors when you have multiple parts intersecting to create a machine. If you put 5 parts together and they are all out of square by .05mm suddenly you are way out of square for the actual purpose you need it for. They needed precision. With my skill level in machining, I couldn't give them that kind of precision, and they didn't really have the time to train a new guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Frosty View Post
    Nobody wants to do machining/tool and die anymore, and I'm not gonna lie, its not an easy trade to get started in, the learning curve is straight uphill for a few years. It is probably one of the hardest, if not THE hardest skilled trade to learn.

    I am a much better welder than I am a machinist. I am currently doing an apprenticeship at my work for machining, not enough skilled machinists, so they have to train some people from the bottom up, because they cannot find enough people to replace the old guys with 30+ years experience when they retire.

    At my work, they want every single part square within .02 MM which is a very high tolerance to keep and honestly I cannot figure out a consistent way to produce parts to hold that kind of tolerance. The old guy training me says he can hit that every time and know its right without even checking it. And he pulled a part off his table, ran a dial across it and it was perfect. One little burr you can barely feel with your finger or maybe not feel it at all, or a speck of metal shaving in the vice and screw you out of a .02 squareness tolerance. It drives me nuts because I repeat the same step I do on one part and nail it, then do it again, go over to check it and its .05 out and then I have to sit there and fight with it for another 30 minutes to get it square. .02 MM is less than 1 thousandth of an inch BTW, and I think most milling machines are only good for a half thousandth so they expect you to get that within almost the maximum working tolerance of the machine, repeatedly. Ive been at this for 2 months and I still can't even consistently get a block square. This is what I mean by the curve being straight up hill.
    In 1970 I was Manager of Labor Relations in a factory with 3,800 employees. There were 10 of us who reported to the Factory Manager, who was also a vice president of the corporation, which had more than 50,000 employees in all its plants. There were about a dozen employees who made more money than I made: the Factory Manager, Director of Engineering, Controller, Director of factory Maintenance, and about 8 or 10 skilled tradesmen.

    That’s right, the top earning skilled tradesmen made as much money as half of the managers who reported directly to the boss.

    Under the union contract signed that year, the lowest beginning wage for a new hire was $5.85. a Master tool and Die Maker with 10 years in grade, made almost $12/hr. All of them got at least 20 hours of overtime a week if they wanted it, and almost all of them wanted it. A top grade skilled tradesman in that plant in 1970 could make $30k a year, which is equal to about $150K in today’s ZOGbucks. The President of the corporation made $150K, plus bonus. In a good year, he would take down a quarter of a million. This means the CEO of the corporation made about 20 times what the average man on the factory floor made.

    In 1970, Nixon put in Affirmative Action. In 1971, he closed the gold window, starting the decline of the dollar and the watering down of American wages. In 1972, he went to China and cut the deal that insured that high valued added manufacturing jobs would all be eventually off-shored.

    Men who worked under union contracts negotiated in 1970 were the last American working men who had a fair deal. It has been all downhill since then. In 1970, the average guy in our plant, who had a high school education or less, had a 3 bedroom house in a subdivision that he bought new for about one year’s wages, a new car every 2 or 3 years, and a fishing boat in his driveway, and a wife that could stay at home and raise 3 or 4 children. Once he had 15 years’ service, he got 6 weeks of paid vacation a year in which to enjoy that boat. And, the corporation, along with almost all of the other big manufacturing corporations, made a reasonable profit.

    Today it is impossible for a White man to get a job out of high school that would allow him to marry and raise a family. College grads can do it, but only if both spouses work. Today’s CEOs make 300 to 500 times what their hourly workers make, compared to the 20 times that my old boss made back in 1970.

    Having lived through it and watched it all unfold, I am now convinced that whites will have to face actual starvation before they will awaken to what has happened to them, and who caused it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmund Ruffin View Post
    Today it is impossible for a White man to get a job out of high school that would allow him to marry and raise a family. College grads can do it, but only if both spouses work. Today’s CEOs make 300 to 500 times what their hourly workers make, compared to the 20 times that my old boss made back in 1970.

    Having lived through it and watched it all unfold, I am now convinced that whites will have to face actual starvation before they will awaken to what has happened to them, and who caused it.
    I believe you are right Edmund, and furthermore, actual starvation is what is actually coming, in the next few years! I have an actual 100,000,000,000,000 dollar bill issued by a central bank(Zimbabwe). I will not be surprised to see 100,000,000,000,000 dollar Federal Reserve Notes trade at par with this bill!

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    One thing I wont do is starve. I live in a very rural area, I could simply go out and catch fish and hunt small game for my meal. I got a lifetime supply of .22lr ammunition, close to 20k rounds and most of it was given to me. There is a creek few hundred yards from me with shallow running water that can be boiled and filtered to where it is biologically safe to drink. I have went out before for 4 days without any outside food or water supplies and managed just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigrid View Post
    As I was saying before, I am a stay at home mom right now, but that will probably change in a couple of months. Right now, though, I'm cherishing time with my family.

    (Just an update as I had my son on August 5, 2011.)
    Congratulations!!!!!!

    I am also taking time off from my career for a few years, to help my wife with our babies. We want to have at least four; so far we have one and are expecting a second one next spring. My field is geophysics/geology which requires a lot of travel. So for now I am running a seasonal business which doesn't require many hours of work, and increasing my education by online schooling. I'll also be joining the army reserves part time in October.

    And of course spending hours on the WNN forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by negative3 View Post
    Congratulations!!!!!!

    I am also taking time off from my career for a few years, to help my wife with our babies. We want to have at least four; so far we have one and are expecting a second one next spring. My field is geophysics/geology which requires a lot of travel. So for now I am running a seasonal business which doesn't require many hours of work, and increasing my education by online schooling. I'll also be joining the army reserves part time in October.

    And of course spending hours on the WNN forums.
    And congratulations to you and your wife on your upcoming arrival! Jamie and I wish you both the very best.
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    I'm a truck driver during the week and a pizza delivery guy on the weekend. I sold cars for a long
    Time, but in 2008 when the economy was raped and our children robbed. I had a change of heart,
    I couldn't maintain a clear conscience skillfully talking my customers into car payments that were
    To difficult ( obviously too difficult ) So I found Honest work. I know the arguments. " they singed it" "they wanted it" "Yada Yada Yada" but it still felt wrong straddling my white brethren with unneeded debt. The other races (with exceptions) almost always have some kind of government assistance. Housing, food, welfare, and what ever else. That really pissed me off! They often got approved more than a working ( a hard working) white family.

    I'll post a thread in the correct section about how Good or Bad credit your getting robbed! And insurance companies and how to save more on car insurance.

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    Gutsy to give up a well-paying job in this economy.

    Hope you do well despite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsnake View Post
    Gutsy to give up a well-paying job in this economy.

    Hope you do well despite!
    Hear, hear! It's nice to see someone's morals outweigh a paycheck.
    Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. I am not afraid. - M. Aurelius
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyboy View Post
    I'll post a thread in the correct section about how Good or Bad credit your getting robbed! And insurance companies and how to save more on car insurance.
    Each individual has a certain comfort level when it comes to the automobile they own.

    Obviously with an older used car insurance premiums are lower. I carry Personal Injury Protection, Property Damage Liability and Bodily Injury Liability, but since the car is probably now valued less than $3000 I choose not to carry comprehensive or collision. This is a savings of a few hundred dollars. If it gets damaged I will just buy another vehicle. I also voluntarily took an online defensive driving course. This saved me an additional $50 a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmund Ruffin View Post
    In 1970 I was Manager of Labor Relations in a factory with 3,800 employees. There were 10 of us who reported to the Factory Manager, who was also a vice president of the corporation, which had more than 50,000 employees in all its plants. There were about a dozen employees who made more money than I made: the Factory Manager, Director of Engineering, Controller, Director of factory Maintenance, and about 8 or 10 skilled tradesmen.

    That’s right, the top earning skilled tradesmen made as much money as half of the managers who reported directly to the boss.

    Under the union contract signed that year, the lowest beginning wage for a new hire was $5.85. a Master tool and Die Maker with 10 years in grade, made almost $12/hr. All of them got at least 20 hours of overtime a week if they wanted it, and almost all of them wanted it. A top grade skilled tradesman in that plant in 1970 could make $30k a year, which is equal to about $150K in today’s ZOGbucks. The President of the corporation made $150K, plus bonus. In a good year, he would take down a quarter of a million. This means the CEO of the corporation made about 20 times what the average man on the factory floor made.
    How the world has changed in 40 years.

    The biggest Jew tax of all is not the $2 the out of network ATM charges but inflation, the devaluing of your money.

    Play around with this inflation calculator a bit.

    In 1970 $5.00 was equivalent to $29.11 in purchasing power today. $12.00 (excellent money top money at the time) was equivalent to $69.87 today. The lost $57.87 represents the 82% tax rate your country has paid the Jew community over a 40 year period.

    In 1970 I found myself working a factory while going to college earning $3.75/hour but that $3.75 was equivalent to $21.84 which wasn't bad money for a college kid.

    In 1970, Nixon put in Affirmative Action. In 1971, he closed the gold window, starting the decline of the dollar and the watering down of American wages. In 1972, he went to China and cut the deal that insured that high valued added manufacturing jobs would all be eventually off-shored.

    Men who worked under union contracts negotiated in 1970 were the last American working men who had a fair deal. It has been all downhill since then. In 1970, the average guy in our plant, who had a high school education or less, had a 3 bedroom house in a subdivision that he bought new for about one year’s wages, a new car every 2 or 3 years, and a fishing boat in his driveway, and a wife that could stay at home and raise 3 or 4 children. Once he had 15 years’ service, he got 6 weeks of paid vacation a year in which to enjoy that boat. And, the corporation, along with almost all of the other big manufacturing corporations, made a reasonable profit.

    Today it is impossible for a White man to get a job out of high school that would allow him to marry and raise a family. College grads can do it, but only if both spouses work. Today’s CEOs make 300 to 500 times what their hourly workers make, compared to the 20 times that my old boss made back in 1970.
    High school only is a dead end, can not make it today. Even with college one must be very careful on the career path they choose.

    Lawyers? I can hire all I want right out of law school for $12/hr and no benefits.

    Chemical engineers? There is a huge glut on the market and with a BS you will be extremely fortunate to find a job paying $14/hr and I doubt you can do that.

    Nursing? Still good but before long there will be a huge glut on the market and you will see lots of pressure on wages. Think about it, in the field of Negro finance the Obama free healthcare for Negros needs minimum wage+$0.50/hour nurses to contain costs.

    Having a medical degree is a big plus but most of us simply can't do that sort of thing and there have been recent stories about doctors getting burnt out in the profession at a very early age. Sure, pay is good with the average Family Practice Physician in the United States earning $173,710 but there is lots to consider.

    On average, medical students graduate with about $100,000 in debt which represents payments of $1,150.80 per month for 10 long years. Also consider the time; 4 years college, 4 years med school and 2 years internship during which time a new MD is working 100 hours/week for $1,000 if he's lucky.

    A new doctor will be near 30 years old before he starts a practice and starting a practice doesn't come cheap. Starting out he will have to get another loan for at least $100,000 to set up an office. Tack that to the student loan and he needs to earn at least $25,000/year just to pay back the loans. This knocks pay from $173,710 down to $148,710.

    The average medical doctor pays $12,500 for malpractice insurance leaving him with $136,210.

    On $136,210 federal taxes will be $26,303 (19.31% married/filing jointly) and that isn't counting state and local Negro upkeep taxes. When it is all said and done he will be lucky to bring home $2,000/week which might sound good until you consider that is for 70 hour work weeks, night calls to the hospital and weekends making rounds. All you need is a $25/hr job where you can work 30 hours overtime at time and a half and you to can earn close to what a doctor earns.

    I am not saying a doctor is poor, they aren't, but they aren't swimming in money like many believe they are. I think doctors earn their money.

    Accountant? Huge glut coming, everyone seems to want to go into accounting.

    School teacher/cop/fireman? Local governments will soon be forced to cut back and reduce pay.

    Want to get an easy and soft BA? Psychology, sociology, journalism or social work? I wish you luck in enjoying a life working with Negros at slave pay.

    Computer science? Still excellent but you better be top notch, among the best in your field, or your job can be done in India for $2.00/hr.

    Having lived through it and watched it all unfold, I am now convinced that whites will have to face actual starvation before they will awaken to what has happened to them, and who caused it.
    Sounds like we're close to the same age.

    I tremble for the young white male graduating from high school this year. He will not have the life we enjoyed because he will never see the fruits of his labors for half will be taken from him before he even gets a paycheck.

    Welcome to Negro World, these represent the new masters of the universe.

    My advice to the young man entering high school would be to study hard foregoing the Negroized curriculum of diversity training. Stay out of trouble staying well clear of the Negro pursuits of drinking, drugs, stealing or spending your youth with loose women. During your junior year look for a career where jobs are plentiful and math is required. Math is kryptonite to Tyrone and these careers are still out there you just got to look. At all cost avoid doing business with Jews.

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    I ran concrete sawing equipment when I was younger. I moved into residential glass work when I realized it paid better and was a hell of a lot less dangerous. I made 45k a year about 6 years ago, then I was laid off and replaced with younger cheaper mexicans.

    Now I run a small cattle ranch in the middle of nowhere eastern colorado for room and board, and do anything I can to make money on the side, I have built barns and prefab metal buildings, done a few roofs, run tractors during harvest, hauled scrap, you know all those jobs White Americans WON'T DO!

    I will escape back to the world eventually.

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    I abidance home mom, last home daughter seventeen the age of years. My man and me we displace business what we work 16 years to son.My man retirement of army,I landscape design, horticulture degree. My man and me we enjoy this work. However demon cutthroat with mestizos labor. However my 18 year I marry and I army wife 16 these years , abidance home mother.
    Current best times remain home grand mother, and have cozy place it for my father he is to be cozy. Father he terrible more as grand children hehe

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    Child psychologist for a specific stage (mostly abuse/referral cases) and cognitive behavioral therapist for all ages.

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    I own a real estate investment company.

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    Newbie here, My interest consist of accounting and finance and am going to sit for CPA come this summer.

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    Default Re: What is your job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Each individual has a certain comfort level when it comes to the automobile they own. I come across people who say that their car payments are $450-$500 a month.
    When I was younger I had to have a new car every year. The payment on my Viper was $1350 a month not counting fuel, insurance and maintenance.

    These days, my daily driver is a Chevy diesel 4x4.

    I have a construction business, and do hi-rise structural steel, concrete and masonry inspection in addition to laboratory testing and analysis of construction materials.

    Gil

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