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    The crime? Using a currency outside the Jew-run Federal Reserve system.

    Liberty Dollar creator convicted in federal court

    The leader of a group that marketed a fake currency called Liberty Dollars in the Asheville area and elsewhere has been found guilty by a federal jury of conspiracy against the government in a case of “domestic terrorism.”

    Bernard von NotHaus was convicted Friday at the conclusion of an eight-day trial in U.S. District Court in Statesville. The jury deliberated less than two hours, according to the Department of Justice.

    Charges remain pending against William Kevin Innes, an Asheville man who authorities said recruited merchants in Western North Carolina willing to accept the “barter” currency, according to court records. Innes was indicted along with von NotHaus in 2009.

    Liberty Dollar creator convicted in federal court | The Asheville Citizen-Times | citizen-times.com

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    The charges against Innes include passing coins resembling genuine U.S. coins and intended for use as money, mail fraud and possession Liberty Dollar coins with intent to defraud. Authorities said when he was arrested that he faces up to 45 years in prison.


    Wow, a potential sentence of 45 years in prison is quite a stint for something that didn't kill anyone.
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    I sincerely hope the prosecutor, the jurors, and all the alphabet agency drones involved in this case get brain cancer.

    How the F@$% can gold and silver be considered "counterfeit"?

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    “Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins said. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country.”
    If undermining the currency and the economic stability of the country is really a crime, why haven't a few Fed chairmen been prosecuted?
















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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Stallion View Post
    If undermining the currency and the economic stability of the country is really a crime, why haven't a few Fed chairmen been prosecuted?
    Excellent point. The verdict in this case really put a dagger into the heart of the US Constitution as well as the American spirit of competition and fairness.

    This is truly a sad day for liberty in America. But, the more they defile the Constitution, the more White Americans will realize how corrupt and illegal the Federal Reserve System is.

    From Bernard Von NotHaus' email immediately following the trial:

    "Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters,

    I sincerely regret to inform you that I was found guilty on all four counts regarding the Liberty Dollar in less than an hour on Friday, March 18. The only explanation is that a strong, anti-liberty person took control of a weak-willed jury and pushed the verdict through in record time in spite of well worded Jury Instructions. A government forfeiture hearing immediately followed the conviction. PLEASE NOTE: Your property is at risk so please continue to read these emails and take action so the government does not steal your property. An appeal is planned but that will take years. More news to follow. An unofficial, but most interesting account of the trial is available via Heather's blog at:
    LibertyDollarTrial
    God help you and our country as American descends into a hellish hyperinflationary future without the benefits of the Liberty Dollar.
    I am very sorry our efforts to return America to value failed. Thank you so much for your support.
    Bernard von NotHaus
    Monetary Architect"


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    I hate to rain on this parade but what do you expect the goverment to do with a counterfeiter? Their main power is the purse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patthemick View Post
    I hate to rain on this parade but what do you expect the government to do with a counterfeiter? Their main power is the purse.
    Governments' do hold a lot of power through their monopoly on money. The problem is that the Constitution strictly defines what a dollar is. A US Federal Reserve Note (the Federal Reserve is NOT a government entity by the way) does not meet that definition.

    Plus, look at that Liberty Dollar Silver Certificate. There is no way you could confuse that for a Federal Reserve Note.


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    It doesn't have to look like a banknote to be competeing with the feds. money and that legitamises a counterfeiting charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patthemick View Post
    It doesn't have to look like a banknote to be competeing with the feds. money and that legitamises a counterfeiting charge.
    I am not an attorney, but I always believed that counterfeiting was limited to trying to create or knowingly circulate forgeries of the official currentcy.


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    I wonder if they are going to go after, Kitco and Bullion Direct for selling one ounce silver and gold rounds that say "One Trade Unit" on them now.


    Or are they going to go after this guy for making the "Amero" and the NAU coin...





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    Feds seek $7M in privately made 'Liberty Dollars'


    Feds seek $7M in privately made 'Liberty Dollars' - Yahoo! News

    RALEIGH, N.C. – Federal prosecutors on Monday tried to take a hoard of silver "Liberty Dollars" worth about $7 million that authorities say was invented by an Indiana man to compete with U.S. currency.
    Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted last month in federal court in Statesville on conspiracy and counterfeiting charges for making and selling the currency, which he promoted as inflation-proof competition for the U.S. dollar.
    His Charlotte-based lawyer, Aaron Michel, is appealing that verdict. He wrote in a motion filed Thursday that von NotHaus did nothing wrong because he didn't try to pass the Liberty Dollars off as U.S. dollars.


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    Bogus coins, bullion seized in CdA focus of federal action

    Bogus coins, bullion seized in CdA focus of federal action - Spokesman.com - April 3, 2011

    Federal prosecutors go to court in North Carolina on Monday in an attempt to obtain government ownership of an estimated $7 million in “Liberty Dollars” and silver bullion seized as contraband at a private mint in Coeur d’Alene.
    The forfeiture action comes 17 days after a jury in U.S. District Court in Statesville, N.C., convicted Bernard von NotHaus of conspiring against the U.S. government and manufacturing and selling counterfeit coins.
    The case against the 67-year-old is believed to be the first time the Justice Department has brought a successful criminal prosecution against someone minting, selling and circulating coins in direct competition with the U.S. Mint and Federal Reserve.


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    I think I'm going to be sick, this is the first step in the Fed Beast confiscating ALL silver coin and bullion....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DESERTFOX63 View Post
    I think I'm going to be sick, this is the first step in the Fed Beast confiscating ALL silver coin and bullion....

    It's very likely that's where they would like to take this. They will try to justify it by saying that the Constitution defines gold and silver as currency and that the responsibility for coining money lies with the government, therefore the government has the right to take all gold and silver not minted by the government! A bit of a logical fallacy...but that's they operate in this year, 1984.


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    Seth Lipsky: When Private Money Becomes a Felony Offense - WSJ.com

    When Private Money Becomes a Felony Offense

    The popular revolt against a declining dollar leads to a curious conviction.


    The next chapter in the struggle over sound money may be the case of a newly minted felon named Bernard von NotHaus. Mr. von NotHaus was convicted this month of counterfeiting money by issuing silver coins called Liberty Dollars. His company's website says it's been taken down by court order, and absent a successful appeal he could spend years in jail.
    Mr. von NotHaus was convicted under a section of the United States Code that makes it a crime to manufacture or pass "any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design." The law was enacted during the Civil War, soon after the Union began issuing the paper scrip known as greenbacks.
    It is too soon to say what Mr. von NotHaus's grounds of appeal will be, but it is not too soon to say that his case will be one to watch at a time when so many believe our economic troubles are tied to the fact that the dollar has become a fiat currency, and when leaders world-wide are calling for a new reserve currency.
    So alarming has been the collapse of the dollar that the legislatures in as many as a dozen American states are considering using their authority—under Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution—to make legal tender out of gold and silver coins. Lest the ghost of Friedrich Hayek or any other advocate of privately issued money get any bright ideas, however, the von NotHaus verdict will stand as a warning.


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