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    Bolt 'living in mindset frozen in history': court

    Geoff Clark entered the building dressed in his possum-skin cloak and Andrew Bolt was accused of harking back to the discredited field of eugenics as the racial vilification trial being brought against the Herald Sun columnist by activist Pat Eatock and eight others started in the Federal Court in Melbourne.
    Ron Merkel, for the applicants, claimed that in a series of articles published in the Herald Sun and on its website in 2009, Bolt had relied on outdated notions of racial identity in his attack on a number of high-profile indigenous people, including Eatock, Clark, artist Bindi Cole and academic Mark McMillan.
    His articles had questioned the motivation behind these pale-skinned individuals "choosing" to identify as Aboriginal.
    Nobody,White or Black should have to justify their racial identity or their existence as a people, Bolt is a either a fool or someone's tool, I've never been sure which.
    This is a farce, Jewish lawyer Ron Merkel is representing the plaintiffs, Jewish Judge Mordechai Bromberg is officiating, I can't find any details of Bolt's legal counsel but being a good little Zionist he'd have access to a top notch QC, what's the bet it's another Jew?
    Ron Merkel "goes there" right from the start with his remarks on "what we learned from WW2" and pointing out that "the Holocaust started with words".
    What that has to do with anything I don't know, it's not like the Aboriginals can't make a case for the Genocide of their own people, what does referring to the Holocaust demonstrate in this context?
    It's lucky Ol' Andrew didn't make too much of Bindi Cole's Jewish ancestry or he'd be going straight to Jail....but then he'd never "go there", would he.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne View Post
    Bolt 'living in mindset frozen in history': court

    Nobody,White or Black should have to justify their racial identity or their existence as a people, Bolt is a either a fool or someone's tool, I've never been sure which.
    This is a farce, Jewish lawyer Ron Merkel is representing the plaintiffs, Jewish Judge Mordechai Bromberg is officiating, I can't find any details of Bolt's legal counsel but being a good little Zionist he'd have access to a top notch QC, what's the bet it's another Jew?
    Ron Merkel "goes there" right from the start with his remarks on "what we learned from WW2" and pointing out that "the Holocaust started with words".
    What that has to do with anything I don't know, it's not like the Aboriginals can't make a case for the Genocide of their own people, what does referring to the Holocaust demonstrate in this context?
    It's lucky Ol' Andrew didn't make too much of Bindi Cole's Jewish ancestry or he'd be going straight to Jail....but then he'd never "go there", would he.

    I think he has a point. Who the hell are these black-as-a-vanilla-ice cream Aboriginal spokespeople. I am fed up to the back teeth with these deluded jokers claiming a totality of Aboriginal heritage when there is, like this gumby above, nothing but a tiny splash. Still, I won't argue with your overall assessment of Bolt, but I do have cause to agree with him now and again. And while we're at it, I'm still bugged by that murderous Sudanese from that other thread with his 'White Australia has a black history'. I was thinking about this today, and it's wrongness is glaring. Australia is a nation, there never was an Aboriginal nation, or any such thing, and especially not recognised as being so by the rest of the world. So, Australia, as a nation, as a country, began with White settlement. Its 'black history' is therefore ancillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SydneyStan View Post
    I think he has a point. Who the hell are these black-as-a-vanilla-ice cream Aboriginal spokespeople. I am fed up to the back teeth with these deluded jokers claiming a totality of Aboriginal heritage when there is, like this gumby above, nothing but a tiny splash. Still, I won't argue with your overall assessment of Bolt, but I do have cause to agree with him now and again. And while we're at it, I'm still bugged by that murderous Sudanese from that other thread with his 'White Australia has a black history'. I was thinking about this today, and it's wrongness is glaring. Australia is a nation, there never was an Aboriginal nation, or any such thing, and especially not recognised as being so by the rest of the world. So, Australia, as a nation, as a country, began with White settlement. Its 'black history' is therefore ancillary.
    Tut-Tut Stan, has anyone ever asked you what race you are?
    If they say they're Aboriginal then that's what they are.
    Nobody, not you, me or Geoff Clark should have their racial identity up for evaluation.
    This is another White Rabbit present and it's dropped right in our furry little laps, Race Is real and it matters...let's see how this case pans out.
    Hey they can say what they want about history, that's fine with me as long as the words "White Australian" are in every slogan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne View Post
    Tut-Tut Stan, has anyone ever asked you what race you are?
    If they say they're Aboriginal then that's what they are.
    Nobody, not you, me or Geoff Clark should have their racial identity up for evaluation.
    This is another White Rabbit present and it's dropped right in our furry little laps, Race Is real and it matters...let's see how this case pans out.
    Hey they can say what they want about history, that's fine with me as long as the words "White Australian" are in every slogan.
    Well, Ok, they can say that, but sometimes when they say it (and I'm not referring to him in blanket in photo) they get financial and other benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SydneyStan View Post
    Well, Ok, they can say that, but sometimes when they say it (and I'm not referring to him in blanket in photo) they get financial and other benefits.
    ...and decent people, who know the satisfaction of paying their own way look down on them.
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    Andrew Bolt is being represented by Neil Young QC.
    Mr Young is well known as a commercial lawyer who has assisted the Ivanov Royal Commission as well as numerous anti corruption and anti cartel cases.
    Nothing of real import was revealed in today's proceedings, Mr Merkel denied insinuating that Mr Bolt favoured a Nazi style Eugenics approach to questions of race.
    Mr Bolt took the stand but found his counsel's attempts to refute the insinuations of links with "Nazi Ideology" hobbled by Mr Merkel's objections that he really wasn't suggesting such a thing at all.
    In the end after much to-ing and fro-ing Justice Bromberg upheld Mr Merkel's objection.

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    His 'notions of eugenics' as the media are labelling it, aren't wrong, but.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SydneyStan View Post
    His 'notions of eugenics' as the media are labelling it, aren't wrong, but.
    Ah c'mon, you can tell straight away whether someone has Aboriginal blood or not, from accent, to posture to physiology... their gait, demeanour, dress.
    They don't carry themselves in the same way as other people
    Bindi Cole would be the only "difficult" one in this context, then again I've never met her in person, the others are identifiably Aboriginal despite pale skin.
    Look at Bruce Pascoe for example, no doubt in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne View Post
    Ah c'mon, you can tell straight away whether someone has Aboriginal blood or not, from accent, to posture to physiology... their gait, demeanour, dress.
    They don't carry themselves in the same way as other people
    Bindi Cole would be the only "difficult" one in this context, then again I've never met her in person, the others are identifiably Aboriginal despite pale skin.
    Look at Bruce Pascoe for example, no doubt in my mind.
    All right, he definitely has that boxed-up look of Aboriginality, but I was speaking in a broader, philosophical context of race... But what you say, Bolt shoots himself in the foot, because while his notions of race might be right, calling these people white is wrong, which is right. I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SydneyStan View Post
    All right, he definitely has that boxed-up look of Aboriginality, but I was speaking in a broader, philosophical context of race... But what you say, Bolt shoots himself in the foot, because while his notions of race might be right, calling these people white is wrong, which is right. I think.
    Yeah but you have to remember Andrew Bolt is a Right Winger, he's Anti Racism and pro Assimilation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne View Post
    Yeah but you have to remember Andrew Bolt is a Right Winger, he's Anti Racism and pro Assimilation.
    And so many of those who yearn for a 'pro-white' policy are misled by these conservatives that dress themselves up in clothing suggestive of WN, but who're canny at their sleight-of-hand keeping their true universalist, free market beliefs hidden. Tony Abbott would be a great example of that. You see how many fools back Tones, thinking that he's the Dorothy that will set them upon the Yellow Brick road to a whiter Australia. Nup, he's just another Jew-puppet with his orders coming straight from Moshe.

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    Day three in the continuing storrrry of a hack who's gone to the dogs.
    Bolt's wrong, but he's not sorry


    Herald Sun columnist Andrew Bolt was forced to concede he got some of his facts wrong in a series of articles about light-skinned people of mixed heritage who identify as Aboriginal, but he refused to apologise for the errors as his trial on charges of racial discrimination continued in the Federal Court in Melbourne today.
    Herman Borenstein, SC, for the nine light-skinned Aborigines who have brought the case, repeatedly questioned Bolt on his "meticulous standards of research".
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    I'm wondering how much responsibility the paper itself bears. It's all right to say, they don't necessarily share opinions, but the do if they're paying the guy. They generating hits and selling papers off his notoriety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SydneyStan View Post
    I'm wondering how much responsibility the paper itself bears. It's all right to say, they don't necessarily share opinions, but the do if they're paying the guy. They generating hits and selling papers off his notoriety.
    He has the most widely read political blog in the country...the horror.
    I might have posted this before but:
    I was talking to an old guy in one of the apartment blocks I was working on last week, avid Herald Sun reader who thought Bolt's ideas were spot on, he then went on to tell me how we should get rid of all the "reffos" and bring over "all those poor Japs, the young ones with the kiddies who'd been in the Tsunami"
    "After all!", he cried "We've got the room and those Japs are bloody good tradesmen some of them, better than those idiots who come in off the boats".

    I quickly changed the subject to Cars and how "they aren't what they used to be".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne View Post
    He has the most widely read political blog in the country...the horror.
    I might have posted this before but:
    I was talking to an old guy in one of the apartment blocks I was working on last week, avid Herald Sun reader who thought Bolt's ideas were spot on, he then went on to tell me how we should get rid of all the "reffos" and bring over "all those poor Japs, the young ones with the kiddies who'd been in the Tsunami"
    "After all!", he cried "We've got the room and those Japs are bloody good tradesmen some of them, better than those idiots who come in off the boats".

    I quickly changed the subject to Cars and how "they aren't what they used to be".
    Strange isn't it. One time Australians threw round the phrase, "Wouldn't give it to a Jap on Anzac Day", yet at the same time there's a strong respect for these "hard working people".
    I wonder if this old guy realised just what he was saying. Yes, let's bring in the very people the White Australia policy attempted to keep out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SydneyStan View Post
    Strange isn't it. One time Australians threw round the phrase, "Wouldn't give it to a Jap on Anzac Day", yet at the same time there's a strong respect for these "hard working people".
    I wonder if this old guy realised just what he was saying. Yes, let's bring in the very people the White Australia policy attempted to keep out.
    Yeah but Old Guys are like that, they look first for signs of industry and a work ethic as they size you up, which means that, even though I only work part time I've always got some old feller leaning over me going:
    "Yeah I was 40 years on the Railways...course you couldn't get the younger generations to do that kind of work nowadays" etc etc.

    Plus all this propaganda about "Asian Tigers" that they get from the Murdoch and Fairfax press causes the "Japs" to loom large in their minds and allows them this grudging respect for their "hard work".
    I don't know if you've ever worked with Asians but they make everything into hard work, they normally move with the speed and can do attitude of a Barnacle then either run around like headless chickens when the deadline arrives or just throw up their hands in despair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne View Post
    Yeah but Old Guys are like that, they look first for signs of industry and a work ethic as they size you up, which means that, even though I only work part time I've always got some old feller leaning over me going:
    "Yeah I was 40 years on the Railways...course you couldn't get the younger generations to do that kind of work nowadays" etc etc.

    Plus all this propaganda about "Asian Tigers" that they get from the Murdoch and Fairfax press causes the "Japs" to loom large in their minds and allows them this grudging respect for their "hard work".
    I don't know if you've ever worked with Asians but they make everything into hard work, they normally move with the speed and can do attitude of a Barnacle then either run around like headless chickens when the deadline arrives or just throw up their hands in despair.
    I only once worked with an Asian, and the little bugger stood around talking while I did all the work. I don't know if he's typical of them, however.

    In my time I've built up a lot of beefs against Asians. When I was a Mod, an Asian cut through a red light and wrote off my scooter then disappeared when I chased him for damages. As my Scottish friend and I lay on the other side of the road after being taken out his son walked over to ask for our licenses... while his dad apparently didn't have one.
    I remember this well-to-do Chinese student who lived at the same house as this girl I was going out with, and her sister, whom he was trying pathetically to get into. She, being beautly racist, wouldn't touch him if he had gold bars strapped to his body. It took him months to work this out, and kept coughing up his rent. When we visited his parents' house one night when they were out, if I went looking for the bathroom he'd walk behind me asking, "Where you going?" as though being from 'convict' lineage it stood to reason I'd be casing the joint. He deserved a smack in the mouth for that, rich people suck like that, but rich Asian people... forget about it.

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    I only once worked with an Asian, and the little bugger stood around talking while I did all the work. I don't know if he's typical of them, however.

    In my time I've built up a lot of beefs against Asians. When I was a Mod, an Asian cut through a red light and wrote off my scooter then disappeared when I chased him for damages. As my Scottish friend and I lay on the other side of the road after being taken out his son walked over to ask for our licenses... while his dad apparently didn't have one.
    I remember this well-to-do Chinese student who lived at the same house as this girl I was going out with, and her sister, whom he was trying pathetically to get into. She, being beautly racist, wouldn't touch him if he had gold bars strapped to his body. It took him months to work this out, and kept coughing up his rent. When we visited his parents' house one night when they were out, if I went looking for the bathroom he'd walk behind me asking, "Where you going?" as though being from 'convict' lineage it stood to reason I'd be casing the joint. He deserved a smack in the mouth for that, rich people suck like that, but rich Asian people... forget about it.
    Haha..one of the Asians I worked with in hospitality in the early 90's got busted for drug possession, some piffling amount which only earned him a bond if I recall. But his rich parents made him go to a psychiatrist for like a year afterwards.
    I'd see him out and about after I quit the job and most of the time he was so drunk that when I'd say G'day to him he'd just look at me all confused, stick out his hand and slur "G'day mate, how ya going, my name's Greg"

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    Anti-gay claim enrages Bolt

    Now he's getting the "full treatment", it's pretty obvious this trial isn't about Aborigines or questions of race, what's next?
    Allegations that Bolt made lampshades out of Human skin?
    Maybe he's the owner of one of those elusive mattresses stuffed with Jewish hair?
    IT TOOK until 3.25pm on his second day in the witness box, but Herald Sun columnist Andrew Bolt finally lost his cool yesterday.
    As Herman Borenstein, SC, asked Bolt why he had appended the term ''gay'' to his description of Aboriginal lawyer/academic Mark McMillan in a 2009 blog post, Bolt, who had remained implacably calm through almost eight hours of cross-examination, exploded.
    ''For you to first smear me with the Holocaust and now try to portray me as a gay bigot is an unforgivable travesty,'' he fumed.

    Bolt denied any suggestion he was homophobic, saying the godfather of his children is gay.
    ''I don't share your assumption that being gay is an insult,'' he told Mr Borenstein, who had in fact offered no view on homosexuality.
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    Its strange they are allowed to give blow by blow descriptions of an ongoing case, but Bolt does not let his readers comment on any proceedings that are ongoing.

    Now he's getting the "full treatment"
    People that don't understand practical politics, will remain victims of it.

    Does anyone know if Borenstein is a member of the protected group, that Bolt defends and champions on a daily basis? If he is, then that is gratitude for you.


    As Herman Borenstein, SC, asked Bolt why he had appended the term ''gay'' to his description
    A better answer would be, are you saying he is not gay?


    Mr Borenstein did, however, say many people - ''perhaps even some Herald Sun readers'' - were homophobic, and suggested describing Mr McMillan as a ''gay white man with a law degree'' in a blog on August 19, 2009, was calculated to inflame prejudices of Bolt's readers.
    In your opinion, Mr Borenstein.
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