Thread: drug dealers win court fight

I applaud the high court for striking down these totalitarian laws! The makers of these laws may claim that these laws are for biker gangs, but if the government can decide that some people are known criminals (if they are criminals, why aren't they in jail) they will soon use this law against Pro-Whites, trying to defend their people!

A further proposed law is worse: "Last month the Brumby Government announced it would introduce anti-fortification laws allowing police to tear down clubhouses if gangs refused to dismantle heavy fencing, gates and security cameras."

This means that white people trying to defend their homes or businesses will be deemed criminals for daring to try to defend themselves!!!

Anyone proposing or supporting such laws, is a traitor to the White Race and White values of freedom, free association, presumption of innocence, etc.

Iconoclast

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

A further proposed law is worse: "Last month the Brumby Government announced it would introduce anti-fortification laws allowing police to tear down clubhouses if gangs refused to dismantle heavy fencing, gates and security cameras."

This means that white people trying to defend their homes or businesses will be deemed criminals for daring to try to defend themselves!!!

Anyone proposing or supporting such laws, is a traitor to the White Race and White values of freedom, free association, presumption of innocence, etc.

Iconoclast

Before you call me a traitor to the White Race,you might want to study the ethnic make up of biker gangs in Australia. You also might want to look at the difference between security for your house and turning a property into a fort. Normal citizens dont use railway sleepers and steel plate as fences. Obviously you think its ok for these feral drug dealers to be allowed to fortify their gang houses and drug labs so that it makes it harder for the police to raid them

Originally Posted by Hobbit

Before you call me a traitor to the White Race,you might want to study the ethnic make up of biker gangs in Australia. You also might want to look at the difference between security for your house and turning a property into a fort. Normal citizens dont use railway sleepers and steel plate as fences. Obviously you think its ok for these feral drug dealers to be allowed to fortify their gang houses and drug labs so that it makes it harder for the police to raid them

The ethnic makeup of biker gangs is totally irrelevant, what is important is the fact that the law will be enforced by an obviously anti-White Australian government.

They are far more likely to try to put you in jail for setting up a security camera, then some non-White gang, unless perhaps, the gang doesn't pay their bribes on time! And why should a White person not be allowed to reinforce their property with railway sleepers and steel plate if they want to?

Of coarse the anti-White government says the law is to attack criminals, but you can be sure they really want such laws to attack White activists if they think they might become a problem for the ZOG. If the government was actually concerned with non-White gangs, they would ask for a law to deport them, not a law that might criminalize the behavior of white citizens.

Iconoclast

Originally Posted by Hobbit

Before you call me a traitor to the White Race,you might want to study the ethnic make up of biker gangs in Australia. You also might want to look at the difference between security for your house and turning a property into a fort. Normal citizens dont use railway sleepers and steel plate as fences. Obviously you think its ok for these feral drug dealers to be allowed to fortify their gang houses and drug labs so that it makes it harder for the police to raid them

True, Crimsafe mesh and aluminium security screens are enough to keep people out, ram raiding is no longer a huge issue because most vulnerable shops have those bollards and steel booms out the front.
Then again are the government seriously suggesting that the bulk of the drug dealing and other criminal activity goes on at somewhere as exposed and heavily monitored as a clubhouse?
I was discussing all these "What If's" regarding Bikies and Consorting laws with a guy I know who's an ex Cop and he laughed at me and said "You and I think that way but these Guys aren't normal people, they don't think the way we do".

Originally Posted by Iconoclast

The ethnic makeup of biker gangs is totally irrelevant, what is important is the fact that the law will be enforced by an obviously anti-White Australian government.

They are far more likely to try to put you in jail for setting up a security camera, then some non-White gang, unless perhaps, the gang doesn't pay their bribes on time! And why should a White person not be allowed to reinforce their property with railway sleepers and steel plate if they want to?

Of coarse the anti-White government says the law is to attack criminals, but you can be sure they really want such laws to attack White activists if they think they might become a problem for the ZOG. If the government was actually concerned with non-White gangs, they would ask for a law to deport them, not a law that might criminalize the behavior of white citizens.

Iconoclast

Actually the ethnic make up of biker gangs is very relevant in Australia,THEY ARE NON WHITE. A lot of them are born here which means they can not be deported under our current laws. People can put up whatever kind of front fence they want but unlike the feral bikers it is not done to protect a drug lab. Here in Australia only crims turn their houses into forts. As for the law about crims consorting with each other that got knocked back by the High Court. That law can not be applied to Pro White groups because no matter how much the govt hates us,they know that they can not prove that the Pro White groups are crimminal organisations and the people of Australia wont believe it if they tried. Believe me,I am against the govt just as much as anyone else but when they try to take the feral drug dealing bikers off the streets then I say go for it

Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne

True, Crimsafe mesh and aluminium security screens are enough to keep people out, ram raiding is no longer a huge issue because most vulnerable shops have those bollards and steel booms out the front.
Then again are the government seriously suggesting that the bulk of the drug dealing and other criminal activity goes on at somewhere as exposed and heavily monitored as a clubhouse?
I was discussing all these "What If's" regarding Bikies and Consorting laws with a guy I know who's an ex Cop and he laughed at me and said "You and I think that way but these Guys aren't normal people, they don't think the way we do".

Did your cop friend also explain that a meth lab can be set up in your average surburban kitchen? Did he tell you how easy it is to destroy the evidence or how quickly it can be done if the cops can not get in straight away? Did he tell you about the bandidos who had a meth lab buried beneath the bbq in the backyard of a members house?

Gentleman, I have not read up on this story. But keep it clean. We can disagree and still be civil.

Iconoclast, Hobbit is definitely not a traitor to our race.

This is a pickle of a situation. Hobbit I think the point Iconoclast is using is that they are not using these laws against WN's yet, but will once precedent is set. And that is unfortunately very probable. And yes they will try to make WNs criminals. In fact, they already are:

Toben jailed in Australia | JTA - Jewish & Israel News

If they do it with individuals they'll do it with groups.

I realize these gangs need to be dealt with but they do seem to be taking airs with civil liberties. There have to be ways of shutting them down without passing these laws which could be used against law abiding Whites later on.

I do admit this a tough situation.

Originally Posted by Alexander Hamilton

Gentleman, I have not read up on this story. But keep it clean. We can disagree and still be civil.

Iconoclast, Hobbit is definitely not a traitor to our race.

This is a pickle of a situation. Hobbit I think the point Iconoclast is using is that they are not using these laws against WN's yet, but will once precedent is set. And that is unfortunately very probable. And yes they will try to make WNs criminals. In fact, they already are:

Toben jailed in Australia | JTA - Jewish & Israel News

If they do it with individuals they'll do it with groups.

I realize these gangs need to be dealt with but they do seem to be taking airs with civil liberties. There have to be ways of shutting them down without passing these laws which could be used against law abiding Whites later on.

I do admit this a tough situation.

Fredrick Toben went to jail for failing to comply with a ruling in a civil suit and to the best of my knowledge he's not a White Nationalist.
The Civil Liberties thing went out the window years ago here, free speech has been locked up tighter than a Nun's virtue since the 1990's.
The usual trick is Trial by media, plenty of people think that Holocaust denial and display of Fascist imagery is illegal here but it isn't.
Fredrick Toben is a Revisionist of dubious merit* and serial litigant who went to jail but due to the media spin most people think he's a Holocaust Denier who was Jailed for Hate Crimes.

*My personal opinion based on watching his film and speeches.

Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne

Fredrick Toben went to jail for failing to comply with a ruling in a civil suit and to the best of my knowledge he's not a White Nationalist.
The Civil Liberties thing went out the window years ago here, free speech has been locked up tighter than a Nun's virtue since the 1990's.
The usual trick is Trial by media, plenty of people think that Holocaust denial and display of Fascist imagery is illegal here but it isn't.
Fredrick Toben is a Revisionist of dubious merit* and serial litigant who went to jail but due to the media spin most people think he's a Holocaust Denier who was Jailed for Hate Crimes.

*My personal opinion based on watching his film and speeches.

Doesn't matter if he is or isn't a WN. He was locked up because he expressed a view held by many WNs. He was in contempt for refusing to comply with a court order censoring his speech.

Toben, 64, was found guilty earlier this year on 24 counts of contempt of a 2002 court order to remove anti-Semitic material on his Web site that included claims that gas chambers did not exist at Auschwitz and that the Holocaust was “a lie.”

Of course one does not have to be a Wn to be a revisionist. This is where "hate laws" often start.

Originally Posted by Jay Of Melbourne

The usual trick is Trial by media, plenty of people think that Holocaust denial and display of Fascist imagery is illegal here but it isn't.

In Australia, there are no specific statutes prohibiting Holocaust denial. However, the Australian courts have made it clear that Holocaust denial is a form of antisemitism and vilification, which is prohibited by Federal anti-discrimination laws. In doing so, Australian law has developed genuine protection against Holocaust denial, and has demonstrated that Jews will have a means of redress.
The leading judgement is that of Jones v Toben [2003] FCA 137 decided by the Federal Court of Australia in 2003. The case concerned a website of an extreme right wing group, the Adelaide Institute, run by Fredrick Toben. The material published on the website denies the reality of the Holocaust and makes antisemitic statements. This material was held to be in breach of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth), as it was reasonably likely to offend, insult, or humiliate and intimidate Jews in Australia because of their origins. The court ordered the respondent, Adelaide Institute director Fredrick Toben, to remove all offensive material from the site.
When an order of the Court is not complied with, it is possible to charge a perpetrator with contempt of court. In 2007 the ECAJ brought a successful action for contempt of court, which required Toben and the Adelaide Institute to comply with the 2002 order.



Holocaust Denial in Australia | B'nai B'rith Anti-Defamation Commission Inc.


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