Thread: The Problem With Medical Marijuana

My opinion is different from yours, but who is to say, what the "right" answer is.
In Canada, "pot" is much more common, than it is in other countries, (like the US). I think that it's pretty well known, that British Columbia, is famous for it's "BC Bud". (Maybe even as famous as our bacon, maple syrup, poutine, etc.) I read recently that 21% of Canadians, between the ages of 18-40, smoke marijuana regularly. There are also people who cook, bake, and drink tea; with ground weed. I don't really think that there is much of a difference, whether people ingest, or smoke it. Yes, the smell of the smoke is offensive to some, but so are cigarettes, cigars, and pipes. I do agree that smoking, anything, cannot be good for our lungs; that's a no-brainer.
As for "licensed" growers; are there no regulations, or can anyone plant a crop? Are there no courses that need to be taken, or rules that need to be followed? Is there no control? There should be a limited number of people who are given permission to grow.
I have one friend who has a pot card. He was injured at work, and broke his back and neck. He is riddled with arthritis, and has had several operations, without much success. He is legally allowed to have 4grams, per day. That would maybe give him 4 joints. I personally give him credit, for choosing to smoke grass; then to be totally zoned out, on the other heavy narcotics that the doctors prescribe. I think THC is a "lesser" drug; than oxy's, percs, morphine, etc. As for my experiences with holistic medicine; I've spent a fortune over the years, and I can honestly say, that none of it worked.
In my personal opinion, I think they should legalize Marijuana anyway. There is no doubt that alcohol creates more violence, crime, and deaths. A "pothead" isn't one to get into fights or one to become aggressive. Actually, people who use the ganja, are known to be calm, content, peaceful people. The worst is that they may laugh too hard, or eat the last cookies. Can that be said about liquor, or any of the other drugs?
I respect your opinion Mrs.Roper; but you asked for thoughts, and I'm not one to back down on a friendly debate. I obviously don't have any experience with what is going on in Mexifornia. If every gansta criminal, is growing weed; and if it is allowing scum bags to benefit... then it needs to be stopped, until there is control.
... just a penny for your thoughts

Yeah, it is really out of hand out in 'Mexifornia' anyone can get a card to smoke it. I understand that THC can help people with severe illnesses, that part I get. & I think that taking it in a pill form or in a tea, has got to be better than smoking it. Marijuana is WAY worse on your lungs & your brain than smoking cigarettes. I personally do not want my child to ever feel the pain of addiction, & now days legalizing marijuana is just making it easier access for our kids.

I know children who have a hard enough time as it is learning basic things in school, can you imagine how much harder it would be if they had easy access to smoking pot? Yes, I know that drugs are everywhere, that doesn't make it right & I will NEVER condone the use of them. Marijuana, in my opinion is a 'Gate Way' drug for people who may have addictive personalities. It is a proven fact among addicts that most who became addicted to the harder narcotics, first began using pot.

I know that not everyone has the addictive gene, but why take a chance having it out there legal on the street? Maybe it can be used for the good, but it needs to be in a controlled setting. I agree alcohol & cigarettes are just as bad when abused, same as marijuana. In my opinion cigarettes shouldn't be legal either. There are many laws in place with alcohol & you rarely hear of any judge not being strict about alcohol abuse. I have nothing against alcohol unless it is being abused, but just because something is legal doesn't make it right.

There is a down side to all medications, but I still think that smoking something, no matter what, is bad. There are a lot worse side effects from smoking pot than just getting the munchies and laughing, and those side effects are caused because the person is 'high', which in itself says a lot about that person. Getting high for those reasons means that person doesn't want to face reality.

I understand that there are very sick people out there with legitimate illnesses who want relief from constant pain & who are willing to take on the 'high' like side effects, just for some relief. I get that part. But thinking that it is 'not a big deal' because potheads are more mellow calm people who laugh and get the munchies', in my opinion is no example for our children. There are enough vices against our people, drugs are just another thing to bring us down.

Personally I would rather teach my child to be happy and laugh at things in life naturally and in a clear state of mind.

However, I do value your opinion & see your points. It is always better to look at things from many points of view.

Originally Posted by Mrs. Roper

I know children who have a hard enough time as it is learning basic things in school, can you imagine how much harder it would be if they had easy access to smoking pot? Yes, I know that drugs are everywhere, that doesn't make it right & I will NEVER condone the use of them. Marijuana, in my opinion is a 'Gate Way' drug for people who may have addictive personalities. It is a proven fact among addicts that most who became addicted to the harder narcotics, first began using pot.

Kids already have access to grass. As for it being a gateway to harder drugs,every addict I have known started with drinking. A lot of grass smokers that I have known never got into the harder drugs,most stopping or cutting their usage as they got older. There is a big difference in the lifestyle attitude between Stoners and people who use Marijuana for medical reasons. Stoners just want to get high,the problem is that a lot of them become lazy and just sit around smoking all day,no different from the alcoholic bums we see on the street. Marijuana is not addictive like most of the pain killers handed out by doctors and has none of the side effects associated with pain killers either. Marijuana was used for centuries by people for helping with all kinds of ailments before the jew owned chemical companies got it outlawed. As we all know,when you outlaw anything,you are inviting the criminals to take control of it.

Have you ever smoked pot? you sound like you haven't.Pot has been around for thousands of years as a medicine. personally I'd rather smoke medicine than take a "pill". I am not a "pill popper". I don't support the phara industry.They are the ones that made it illegal.legalizing pot is the smartest thing that could happen to our world,along with the passing of the us gov.Pot is not a gateway drug. People with a weak mind will abuse any thing,medicine(drugs), sex,food,friends etc.A person as a adult raising children has a responsibility to be strick to them and watch out for their benefit till they are adults.Anybody who peverts a minor should go to jail!

I don't understand why any Aryan would want to be bombed out on alcohol or marijuana, because our brain is our finest instrument.

Having said that, I remember when they used to say that smoking it caused lung cancer. Now they are saying it doesn't.

Google:
marijuana cancer

I also found other articles on the downsides of this mind altering chemical.

Catalyst: Marijuana & Schizophrenia - ABC TV Science

Study weeds out marijuana-psychosis link - Psychiatry Update

Cannabis and psychosis | Better Health Channel

Basic Facts About Drugs: Marijuana

NIDA - Publications - Marijuana: Facts for Teens

Personally I don't think it should be banned, as banning drugs builds up criminal organizations, but I don't think it should be a free for all either. I think it should be a regulated prescription drug that is taxed, so it can pay for the percentage of people that are harmed by it - psychosis, schizophrenia, addiction and long term impaired brain function.

I also think it is hypocritical for those who like alcohol, to say marijuana is evil. Alcohol like marijuana is a mind altering drug and does enormous harm to peoples lives and is responsible for a large number of assaults and road fatalities.

I believe it should be legal for someone to be able to get as stoned as they want in their own privacy. However,if you get behind the wheel of a car stoned of your butt you should get a harsh penalty.

You can find all kinds of studies that will say grass causes mental damage but in reality I have never seen anyone turn Psychotic just from smoking grass. Nor have I ever met anyone who became Schizophrenic because of it. I know a lot of people who relax after a hard days work with a few cones or a joint or 3 and they are productive members of society. People smoking grass are the least of our problems.

Some people waste years and years of their lives smoking cannabis,
then they learn how to make Ganja butter, and life really begins for them.

The physical therapeutic effects of cannabis, such as it's cancer and diabetes healing aspects
are best realized by using it as a food rather than smoking it.

Here's a few journal articles on it:

http://americanmarijuana.org/Guzman-Cancer.pdf

?9-Tetrahydrocannabinol Inhibits Cell Cycle Progression in Human Breast Cancer Cells through Cdc2 Regulation ? Cancer Res

Cannabinoids for Cancer Treatment: Progress and Promise ? Cancer Res

Cannabinoids for Cancer Treatment: Progress and Promise ? Cancer Res

http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/co.../1385.full.pdf

Originally Posted by Hobbit

You can find all kinds of studies that will say grass causes mental damage but in reality I have never seen anyone turn Psychotic just from smoking grass. Nor have I ever met anyone who became Schizophrenic because of it. I know a lot of people who relax after a hard days work with a few cones or a joint or 3 and they are productive members of society. People smoking grass are the least of our problems.

You do know it is called dope for a reason, yes?
And there is more going on in this world than you can see, we need to keep our consciousness clear.

I don't believe I will ever smoke dope recreationally but until they ban VERY addictive drugs such as codeine, Oxycontin, Vicodin, alcohol, Ritalin and the like, Marijuana use is a NON issue, as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by Lord Sidious

You do know it is called dope for a reason, yes?
And there is more going on in this world than you can see, we need to keep our consciousness clear.

Lord Sid,I probably know more about drugs abuse than most people on this forum. I did not study drug abuse in a university,I lived through it for 16 years. Yes I know exactly why its called dope. Scientists can claim grass does all kinds of damage but in reality Lord Sid,I NEVER saw ANY Stoner turn Psychotic or Schizo. There is a lot of crap written about dope. I agree that we should keep our conciousness clear and that people who just sit around smoking grass all day are not helping,because they are too damm lazy to get off their ass unless its for a trip to the shops for food. There are a lot of man made drugs that should never have been allowed out of the laboratory and compared to stuff like oxycodine and valium,opiates and methamphetamines,grass is fairly safe,you can not overdose on it ,nor is it addictive. In reality we have bigger issues to worry about than someone using grass for pain relief.

Originally Posted by Hobbit

Lord Sid,I probably know more about drugs abuse than most people on this forum. I did not study drug abuse in a university,I lived through it for 16 years. Yes I know exactly why its called dope. Scientists can claim grass does all kinds of damage but in reality Lord Sid,I NEVER saw ANY Stoner turn Psychotic or Schizo. There is a lot of crap written about dope. I agree that we should keep our conciousness clear and that people who just sit around smoking grass all day are not helping,because they are too damm lazy to get off their ass unless its for a trip to the shops for food. There are a lot of man made drugs that should never have been allowed out of the laboratory and compared to stuff like oxycodine and valium,opiates and methamphetamines,grass is fairly safe,you can not overdose on it ,nor is it addictive. In reality we have bigger issues to worry about than someone using grass for pain relief.

Ok, I agree with all you wrote, but I don't think they were talking about people using it for pain relief. That is a different thing altogether.

I have to agree with the Hobbit. I have lived long enough to have blacked out and driven home over 60 miles after a evening of alcohol abuse and wake up still **** faced wondering how I got there. Pot has never done that to me. NEVER! I like the taste smell and the euphoric feeling from smoking pot! Needless to say ZOG doesn't want anyone to enjoy their life or this mild aphrodesiac.The ZOG can't control something you can grow yourself.NO $ for the it!Now you know why it illegal.BJut they sure get rich off all the brain dead doctor worshipers that love to visit and get a scrip for their feel good pills! What this country needs is a good atomic war right here in america to get rid of all the stupid brain dead brain washed morons that are 2 narrow minded to think for themselves!

The only way I can think of to stop criminals exploiting the usage of marijuana for medical reasons is to tell those with the cards that if they want grass,they must grow their own. That would stop the crims claiming to be growing it for the medical market as the home grower is only going to need a few plants,not fields of it. The problem you face with the marijuana farmers is that no one knows how much is being sold to the medical market and how much is being sold on the street. Its to easy for the farmer to claim to be only harvesting a certain amount when realy they are harvesting tonnes of it. It needs to be regulated the same way Tobacco farmers are.

My friend, (with the pot card), is legally allowed to grow 4 plants. I would think that most with the card, so infact grow their own.

Ultimately, all cannabis use serves medical purposes, either for things physical or the mental and psychological effects it produces. Self medication is still medication. There's no denying it's a drug.

Can it be misused? Of course. Proper use, if it is to be used, is important.

Look everyone, I don't believe in any abuse of any type of drug, legal or prescription. I understand that there are risks to taking even prescriptions for serious illnesses, however that has to be done for health reasons.

No one will ever convince me that smoking anything is good for you, even if you have a serious medical condition, but I guess by then your days are numbered anyway.

I do not smoke cigarettes, drink caffeine & I rarely drink alcohol. It isn't because I don't know anything about different drugs or their effects. I was just posting about the problems that are arising because of the legalization of medical marijuana.

There is a HUGE difference in needing medications for serious illnesses, than any dope fiend off the 'Mexifornia' street, having a headache being able to get a 'Pot Card', set up shop and use the proceeds to support their harder habits, therefore keeping serious drug dealers in business.

It isn't that I don't know about 'marijuana' or what positive effects, when used as medication, can have, the thread was about the problems arising because of it. I am from one of the most drug infested, liberal states there is in the U.S., 'Mexifornia' (California. I have seen first hand the damage that the, out of control, legalization of this drug has caused. It is because of the out of control situation with legal and illegal drugs, in that state, that lead to me moving myself and my little girl out of there. I have many friends and family in that state still, who tell me how bad things have gotten out of control.

Let's not forget that there are many other, harmful, out lawed drugs that were once used as medicine too, heroin, cocaine, laudanum, etc.

I'm not seeing 'problems' from medical cannabis, and I too live in the 'Golden State'. What I do see is letting a person's doctor decide what medications they need instead of their policeman.

Complete legalization, where it might be sold in every convenience store from San Ysidero to the Oregon border, is not something that seems wise to me. I like the idea a person needs to check in with a doc at least once a year.