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    I felt we needed such a thread over here at WNN. I will try and post daily informative articles and opinions on the current faltering economy and of course,exposing the money masters and the cruel system of usury,and the fractional reserve banking system. All are welcome to participate.

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    How shock waves will hit US if Greece drops euro
    By MATTHEW CRAFT

    AP Business Writer
    NEW YORK (AP) -- The unthinkable suddenly looks possible.
    Bankers, governments and investors are preparing for Greece to stop using the euro as its currency, a move that could spread turmoil throughout the global financial system.
    The worst case envisions governments defaulting on their debts, a run on European banks and a worldwide credit crunch reminiscent of the financial crisis in the fall of 2008.
    A Greek election on Sunday will determine whether it happens. Syriza, a party opposed to the restrictions placed on Greece in exchange for a bailout from European neighbors, could do well.
    ACT IWhat would Greece's exit look like? In the worst case, it starts off messy.
    The government resurrects the drachma, the currency Greece used before the euro, and says each drachma equals one euro. But currency markets would treat it differently. Banks' foreign-exchange experts expect the drachma would plunge to half the value of the euro soon after its debut.
    For Greeks, that would likely mean surging inflation - 35 percent in the first year, according to some estimates. The country is a net importer and would have to pay more for oil, medical equipment and anything else it imports.
    Greece's government and banks currently survive on international loans, and if it dropped the euro, the country would probably be locked out of lending markets, says Athanasios Vamvakidis, foreign-exchange strategist at Bank of America-Merrill Lynch in London. So the Greek central bank would need to print more drachmas to make up for what it could no longer borrow from abroad.
    That's one reason analysts say the switch to a drachma would lead the country to default on its government debt, possibly triggering losses for the European Central Bank and other international lenders.
    Most assume foreign banks would have to write off loans to Greek businesses, too. Why would Greeks pay off foreign debts that effectively double when the drachma drops by half?
    Say a small shop owner in Athens has a (EURO)50,000 business loan from a French bank. She also has (EURO)50,000 in savings in a Greek bank. The Greek government turns her savings into 50,000 drachma.
    If the new currency fell by 50 percent to the euro as expected, her savings would suddenly be worth (EURO)25,000. But she would still owe (EURO)50,000 to the French bank.
    European banks would take a direct blow. They've managed to shed much of their Greek debt but still held $65 billion, mainly in loans to Greek corporations, at the end of last year, according to an analysis by Nomura, a financial services company. French banks have the most to lose.
    ACT II
    Here's where things get scary.
    The European Central Bank and European Union would have to persuade investors in government bonds that they will keep Portugal, Spain and Italy from following Greece out the door. Otherwise, borrowing costs for those countries would shoot higher.
    The main way European leaders have tried to calm bond markets is by lending to weaker governments from two bailout funds. Experts say these two funds, designed as a financial firewall to stop the crisis from spreading, need more firepower.
    Much of the (EURO)248 billion ($310 billion) left in one of them, the European Financial Stability Facility, was pledged by the same countries that may wind up needing it, Vamvakidis says.
    There's also a (EURO)500 billion European Stability Mechanism that's supposed to be up and running next month, but Germany has yet to sign off on it.
    "If they fail to reassure bond investors, all of the nightmare scenarios come into play," says Robert Shapiro, a former U.S. undersecretary of commerce in the Clinton administration.
    The biggest danger is a fast-spreading crisis known in financial circles as contagion - a term borrowed from medicine and familiar to anyone who has watched a disaster movie about killer viruses on the loose.
    "It's like a disease that spreads on contact," says Mark Blythe, professor of international political economy at Brown University.
    The bond market, where banks, traders and governments cross paths, provides the setting. If Greece dropped the euro, traders would become more suspicious of Spain, Portugal and Italy and sell those countries' government bonds, pushing their prices down and driving their interest rates up.
    Higher borrowing costs squeeze those countries' budgets and push them deeper into debt. Plunging bond prices also would imperil Europe's troubled banks. The banks are big holders of government bonds, which they bought when the bonds were considered safe.
    At this point, the risk would be high for a run on banks throughout Europe. People would worry that the banks might fail and would rush to withdraw what they could. Analysts and investors say that's the biggest fear.
    People in Spain, for example, have already seen what's happened in Greece and have started pulling euros out of their accounts in fear the country will switch back to cheaper pesetas.
    "People see their banks in trouble," Shapiro says.
    In less frantic times, the government would come to the rescue with cash or take over the banks. Individual European countries insure bank deposits, so if one bank fails people can still get their money out. But all this is happening in the middle of a government debt crisis, and if the crisis gets worse, the Spanish or Italian government couldn't raise enough money in the bond markets to save the day.
    "They can't afford to guarantee deposits or money market balances," Shapiro says. "They don't have the ability to borrow internationally from bond markets. Where are they going to get the funds?"
    From here, the crisis could get much worse: Banks could fail, the surviving banks could stop lending to each other, and a credit freeze could shut down commerce in Europe as assuredly as a blizzard did last winter.
    One way to stem the contagion would be to create so-called eurobonds - bonds backed by all 17 countries that use the euro. They could be sold to raise money to buy the bonds of troubled European governments. With the backing of 17 countries, including mighty Germany, eurobonds would have a yield far lower than the bonds of countries like Spain and Italy.
    Germany, which has the strongest economy of the euro countries, has slowly warmed to the idea but wants weak governments to fix their finances first. "Germany's strength is not infinite," Chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday.
    Cash-strapped European governments should be able to turn to the International Monetary Fund for help, but the IMF's money comes from 188 member countries. Peter Tchir, who runs the TF Market Advisors hedge fund, says the U.S. and other countries may balk if the IMF asks for help supporting Europe.
    He worries that the IMF may take a loss on the roughly $28 billion it has already loaned to Greece.
    "People are happy to put money in if they think they won't lose it," Tchir says. "In this case, the IMF loses money, then everybody gets scared."
    ACT III
    A full-blown crisis would cross the Atlantic through the dense web of contracts, loans and other financial transactions that tie European banks to those in the U.S., experts say.
    Blythe, the professor at Brown, believes credit default swaps, the complex financial instruments made infamous by the 2008 financial crisis, would provide the path.
    Banks created the swaps to sell as insurance for loans. After lending money to a business or government, investors can turn to a bank and take out protection on the amount they lent. If the borrower runs into trouble and can't pay - say, the government of Spain defaults - the banks that sold the insurance cover the loss.
    A $2 billion trading loss that JPMorgan Chase revealed in May, traced to a hedge against the Europe crisis, shows just how easy it is for even the safest and savviest of banks to slip up.
    And it doesn't even take a default for a credit default swap to go bad.
    If traders think other countries will follow Greece, they'll drive up borrowing rates by selling government bonds, which also pushes up the cost of insuring their debt. That's similar to how your neighborhood insurance agent handles a teenage driver.
    In the derivatives market, where credit default swaps are traded, there's a twist. When markets treat Spain like a bad credit risk, those who took out insurance on Spanish debt to protect against a default can force the banks that sold the insurance to prove they can make good on the claim.
    To do that, banks cash out something else - U.S. government debt, gold, or anything easy to sell. In normal times, it's no big deal. In a crisis, it can lead to a cascade of selling, spreading trouble from one market to another.
    Another problem: It's not clear how much U.S. banks have at risk to Europe through credit default swaps because regulations let banks keep that information a secret.
    "You could have American banks up to their necks in CDS liabilities," Blythe says. "We don't even know."
    There are other paths the turmoil could take into the U.S.
    Money market mutual funds, which hold more than $2.5 trillion, have an estimated 15 percent of their investments in Europe. European banks are also large buyers of U.S. mortgage bonds. If they're forced to sell them, mortgage rates could jump, imperiling the U.S. housing market. Frightened banks in Europe and the U.S. might also pull the credit lines companies depend on for global trade.
    So what's the good news? It's hard to find anybody who believes the crisis will get that far.
    The bankers planning for a Greek exit from the euro say they think European leaders will get scared into action. The Federal Reserve and other central banks learned from the financial crisis in 2008, they believe, and will jump in to stop the nightmare scenario from unfolding.
    Just in case the worst comes to pass, analysts at Barclay's have attempted to estimate the fallout. They say it would be like the days after the investment bank Lehman Brothers collapsed in September 2008. This time, they project that oil would fall to $50 a barrel, stock markets outside of Europe would plunge 30 percent, and the dollar would soar to trade nearly even with the euro.
    Blythe is skeptical that it will get that bad because he hopes the previous financial crisis has left governments and central banks prepared.
    However the Greek story ends, Blythe believes it's bound to be ugly. Putting 17 countries together to share a common currency worked well when Europe prospered. Now that they're struggling, "all the design flaws are becoming apparent," he says. And every solution that's supposed to fix a problem creates another problem.
    The proposed $125 billion loan to save Spanish banks, for instance, will add to the debt burden of Spain. That sent Spain's borrowing costs higher this week and will put a tighter squeeze on its budget.
    "The euro itself," Blythe says, "is a bloody doomsday machine."
    He's a little news from the financial circles.

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    Another month, another bad jobs report. For the month of May, the U.S. economy only added 69,000 jobs and the unemployment rate rose to 8.2%. Many are calling this a total "disaster" and are worried that the U.S. economy could be headed back into another recession. Economists had been expecting 150,000 payroll jobs would be added, so the 69,000 number really shocked a lot of people. The truth is that the economy needs to add approximately 125,000 new jobs every single month just to keep the unemployment rate steady. So yes, this bad jobs report is not welcome news at all - especially for the Obama administration. When Barack Obama first took office the unemployment rate was sitting at 7.6 percent and now it is sitting at 8.2 percent. Some "recovery", eh? But the reality is that this jobs report was really not that "devastating" even though the stock market had its worst day of the year. Unemployment in America is still about at the same level as it was back at the beginning of 2012. The tough stretch that we are going through right now is only a very small taste of the economic nightmare that is on the horizon. If you think that things are a "disaster" right now, just wait until you see what is coming. (Read More....)2012 June | The Economic Collapse
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    A supply list of what you will need during a collapse..The article M.D. posted in last week’s Friday Miscellany on living conditions in Greece really hit home with me. I did a bit more research. There are food shortages. There are shortages of life-saving medications. There are concerns about the power grid. And if the electric grid goes down, clean water may not flow from the tap. In an economic collapse, debit cards may not work; cash will be king. Once awareness of the situation sets in, rioting, looting and violent crime will be the new norm.

    If Europe collapses, the United States is sure to follow. This makes me nervous. And when I get nervous, I make lists. This is my best shot at formulating a comprehensive supply list for prepping. Sure, there are other lists on the Internet that claim to be comprehensive. And I have learned much from the lists that I have read. But I wanted to come up with my own list and present it to the Pack. And now for the 50 million dollar question: what have I missed?

    If your debit card stopped working tomorrow, would you be ready? http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/pr...omic-collapse/

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    this will help spur the collapse along. The unemployment rate is climbing,so,in a clear cut case of pandering for votes,Obama screws the out of work white american againIn the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression in which millions of Americans have lost jobs we can expect even more competition in the employment marketplace.

    According to AP sources, President Obama will speak today about a new administration policy that will grant immunity from deportation for some 800,000 immigrants who have entered the country illegally.

    The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies. The Coming Depression

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    Greeks go to the polls today: GERMAN WARNING

    A Greek exit from the single currency would heap further pressure on two far larger European economies - Spain has already received up to 100 billion euros to save debt-riddled banks and Italy could be next to seek a bailout. News Headlines

    Euro zone officials have hinted they might give a new Greek government some leeway on how it reaches debt targets set by the EU/IMF bailout package, but there would be no change to the targets themselves.

    Euro zone paymaster Germany warned Greeks on Saturday the bailout would not be renegotiated...Merkel is such a tool of the banksters,pathetic.

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    Prepare for massive inflation: Billionaire Donald Trump says the U.S. economy is poised for “massive inflation” and is warning investors to take steps now to protect themselves.

    In the gripping CNBC interview, Trump also told investors they should not trust official government statistics.

    He even questioned the “official unemployment” numbers. “It’s over 20 percent. It’s not 8.3 percent,” Trump said. Spot on Mr.Trump.....Obama,You are FIRED! Trump Warns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western View Post
    Greeks go to the polls today: GERMAN WARNING

    A Greek exit from the single currency would heap further pressure on two far larger European economies - Spain has already received up to 100 billion euros to save debt-riddled banks and Italy could be next to seek a bailout. News Headlines

    Euro zone officials have hinted they might give a new Greek government some leeway on how it reaches debt targets set by the EU/IMF bailout package, but there would be no change to the targets themselves.

    Euro zone paymaster Germany warned Greeks on Saturday the bailout would not be renegotiated...Merkel is such a tool of the banksters,pathetic.
    It's going to be interesting to see what unfolds in Greece over the next few days. While it will be tough on the citizens to dump the Euro, it's in their best interest to rid themselves of the Zionist baking cartel. I'd rather suffer for a few years to wipe out the debt, than to keep kicking the can down the road thru higher taxes, austerity and paying interest on a principle that can never be repaid.
    A true measure of a man's character is his willingness to speak the truth - even at the expense of his reputation.

    A hallmark of self-deceiving cowards is their acceptance of authority as their truth, rather than the truth as their authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Smith View Post
    It's going to be interesting to see what unfolds in Greece over the next few days. While it will be tough on the citizens to dump the Euro, it's in their best interest to rid themselves of the Zionist baking cartel. I'd rather suffer for a few years to wipe out the debt, than to keep kicking the can down the road thru higher taxes, austerity and paying interest on a principle that can never be repaid.
    I have been searching for exit poll results,not having much luck. If we have any posters who live across the pond,please post updates. Thanks...Yeah,Bush missed the boat in fall of 2008. He could have declared a jubilee(wiping out all private debt),and, giving each american household 100,000.,that would have stimulated the economy,but,instead the worthless banksters got trillions,mainstreet got the shaft. jmho.
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    The new democracy (pro bailout,pro bankster) party, has apparenly won,how ever they do not have enough of the vote to rule/govern,and must seek a coalition, which the other parties have already said is not going to happen.,In other words, let the brawl begin. The MSM is spinning this as victory for the banksters,who currently, are sucking the life out of planet earth.jmho."W"

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    This is rich(pun intended).Austerity,a word much bounced around these days by the tribesmen of the wallstreet media. It means simply that the masses will have less while the banksters will remain fat and sassy,kicking the ever growing can down the road, so the system of usury can remain in place. One wonders what a rich banker would do, if he/she had to do an honest days labor to survive?.State and Local Govt. Austerity Turns David Rosenberg (Almost) Bullish. State and Local Govt. Austerity Turns David Rosenberg (Almost) Bullish | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

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    Kick the can(a game played by children,also,a game played by the international banksters).."I'm sanguine in the sense I think we do have some time -- still," Bremmer says. "There still is capacity to kick the can down the road and I do not believe the eurozone is ultimately going to fragment."Oh really?Kick the can was also a twilight zone episode

    Yes, the likelihood of a Greek exit from the euro has risen and the 'kick-the-can' strategy is "fraught with danger," he admits. "[But] ultimately I'm much more optimistic about the eurozone staying together and becoming better governed than it was before this entire crisis."..G20 Fiddles as Europe Burns But Ian Bremmer Says They Still Have Time | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

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    Wallstreet media speak:Unemployment claims fall yet rise?Kick the can.Initial claims for state unemployment benefits slipped 2,000 to a seasonally adjusted 387,000, the Labor Department said. The prior week's figure was revised up to 389,000 from the previously reported 386,000.The mfg. index fell from 54 to around 52,indicaticating America is flirting with recession in that area.Anything above 50 is considered growth,below,contraction.At any case, this so called jobless recoveryis pure bovine manure.

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    Greenspan global slump.. Alan Greenspan Sees

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    JEW versus JEW? In this case sawed off shrimp versus big jew wallstreet.I really hate this little weasel but, he hits the nail on the head here...The Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the main regulator of derivatives (bets on bets), wants to extend Dodd-Frank regulations to the foreign branches and subsidiaries of Wall Street banks.

    Horror of horrors, say the banks.

    "If JPMorgan overseas operates under different rules than our foreign competitors," warned Jamie Dimon, chair and CEO of JP Morgan, Wall Street would lose financial business to the banks of nations with fewer regulations, allowing "Deutsche Bank to make the better deal."

    This is the same Jamie Dimon who chose London as the place to make highly risky derivatives trades that have lost the firm upwards of $2 billion so far — and could leave American taxpayers holding the bag if JPMorgan's exposure to tottering European banks gets much worse.

    Reich: How Wall Street Aims to Keep U.S. Regulators Out of Its Global Betting Parlor | The Exchange - Yahoo! Finance

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    Moodys downgrades 15 banks..You cannot keep printing money out of thin air forever.Moody’s Investors Service downgraded 15 banks in moves that may shake up competition among Wall Street’s biggest firms.

    Credit Suisse was cut to A2, the same as JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) and BNP Paribas SA (BNP), as Moody’s completed a review of global banks with capital-markets operations it announced in February. Morgan Stanley and Zurich-based UBS AG (UBSN), the other firms singled out for three-level reductions, were lowered two steps instead, the ratings firm said yesterday in a statement. Credit Suisse Cut 3 Levels as Moody

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    The U.S. Government keeps saying that there's no inflation, or very little, and yet how can this be, what with trillions of dollars being printed and poured into the economy over the last three years?

    We're being lied to in regards to 'inflation', and it's only a matter of time before they won't be able to keep it under wraps.

    Even though gas has fallen over the last few weeks, it's much higher than just a few years ago. Food is going sky high, rent is increasing, Utility Bills, Health care, generally everything that really matters! The only things that are really cheap, are the cheap Chinese's goods that everyone could do well without!

    The whole world market is a sham, and the only thing that's keeping it going is the ignorance of the people in thinking that it's not!
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    The United States could soon become a large-scale Spain or Greece, teetering on the edge of financial ruin.
    That’s according to Donald Trump, who painted a very ugly picture of where this country is headed under its current leadership. Trump made the comments during a recent appearance on Fox News’ “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.”

    According to Trump, the United States is no longer a rich country. “When you’re not rich, you have to go out and borrow money. We’re borrowing from the Chinese and others. We’re up to $16 trillion in debt.”

    It’s clear that Trump holds President Barack Obama responsible for the ballooning debt. Trump stated that the way Obama is running the country is “stupid.”

    He goes on to point out that the downgrade of U.S. debt is inevitable.

    “We are going up to $16 trillion [in debt] very soon, and it’s going to be a lot higher than that before he gets finished. When you have [debt] in the $21-$22 trillion, you are talking about a downgrade no matter how you cut it .”http://www.smarterlifestyles.com/201...fc_app_id=6226

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    G.S. stinks!Playing the role of House of Squid apologist, Nesto says the two reports are all but entirely unrelated. "They got a lot going on," Nesto says of Goldman. The firm can't be expected to micro manage what he labels as "a supermarket of superstars." It wasn't Goldman taking the other side of its own monumental "buy" call, it was Weisberger unwittingly fading Oppenheimer.

    Of course both of those calls came with Goldman's imprinteur. One guy was Goldman's Chief Equity Strategist and the other is the firm's Head of the Macro Equity Team. Presumably Goldman has a Majordomo of Stock Planning who can also slap whatever opinion he wants onto a piece of firm stationary and dish out on the basis of account size.

    The research only mattered because it came from Goldman Sachs; the firm, not the people. Selective distribution and saying one thing in public and another behind the scenes isn't unusual on Wall Street. It's business as usual which is exactly why it stinks.

    If you don't like the smell of the markets, Nesto suggests you simply not get "stanked upon." As evidenced by the flood of investors leaving the market it looks like plenty of folks are taking that advice.

    Goldman Sachs: Short Today, Long Tomorrow, Winning Either Way | Breakout - Yahoo! Finance

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    U.S. judge allows lawsuits against Goldman Sachs to proceed A U.S. federal judge said on Thursday that shareholders can proceed with a lawsuit accusing Goldman Sachs Group Inc of concealing conflicts of interest in several collateralized debt obligation transactions, the fallout from which caused Goldman's stock price to tumble.

    The lawsuit in Manhattan federal court consolidates claims from Goldman shareholders who said the firm failed to disclose it was betting against its clients by taking short positions in four CDO transactions it sold to investors. U.S. judge allows investor suit over Goldman CDOs - Yahoo! Finance

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