Thread: Learning from the Chicago/Tinley Incident

I live in Illinois.... land of Lincoln and now Obama.

I can make a few more recommendations.

Always be prepared. Have a look out. Learn self defense with weapons besides guns (Chairs, tables, canes, T-ball bats - have a glove and ball - maybe even make your meet and greet a social softball, hard bat party. Reds are less likely to storm attack an event with White men wielding baseball bats.

For some reason, in States where Self Defense is clearly allowed and encouraged, the frothing at the mouth Anti-White Racist Proponents of White Genocide choose not to attack.

I wonder why?

As long as everything you've suggested is legal, sure.

Another smart piece of advice is to book a government facility, like a library or city recreation center, to hold our patriotic events and meetings.

None of these guys who were attacked were A3P members, as far as we know. A3P is a respectable political party, so it's much, much harder to be denied a meeting place by a government agency. Just one more reason to stop associating with hooligans and criminals and join the A3P.

Originally Posted by Instauration Fan

I live in Illinois.... land of Lincoln and now Obama.

I can make a few more recommendations.

Always be prepared. Have a look out. Learn self defense with weapons besides guns (Chairs, tables, canes, T-ball bats - have a glove and ball - maybe even make your meet and greet a social softball, hard bat party. Reds are less likely to storm attack an event with White men wielding baseball bats.

Because we have the moral high ground and we don't attack the Far Left. It is almost always the other way around.

Originally Posted by Poor Richard

For some reason, in States were Self Defense is clearly allowed and encouraged, the frothing at the mouth Anti-White Racist Proponents of White Genocide choose not to attack.

I wonder why?

So let's evaluate the media coverage of this event. How do we think the pro-White, patriotic cause looked to those reading or hearing about the attack? Did these guys come off as innocent victims of ARA or as deserving victims (due to their criminal records), or even as the instigators of these attacks?

What WGS proposes is all very "nice and good" but having seen ZOG up close and personally, so to speak, I have acquired a dim view of the Constitution being defended via early 21st century "constitutional" means.


By all means eschew anyone who advocates outright violence as an agent provocateur.... because he'll almost certainly be one.

Our enemies, blood enemies that is, are a lawless cabal, however........ there is nothing too evil, underhanded or illegal in their blackbags. They practice a morality of an entirely different type than ours .... which has allowed them to have their apparent, but short term, "victories."

They are, typically, purely reactionary ...... and while they are able to think 7 steps down the line ---- unlike most materialistic, dumbed-down, unrace-conscious Whites .... they cannot see 20 steps down the line and how their methods are rather counter-productive in the long term.

Since elections are invariably rigged and a complete joke, I simply don't see how, electorally, anything can change for the good. Sorry, but I gave up on the corrupt "system" years ago .... but I have certainly NOT given up on the innate genius of our oppressed people who will rise to the occasion when their civilizational backs are against the wall.


Please don't take this as any criticism of your movement .... perhaps I simply don't understand it well enough. And please don't think I'm some sort of pessimist ......... I'd be long dead if I was. I have a CERTAINTY everything will turn out OK in the end .... although many good people will, unfortunately, suffer along the hard way to come.

FRPO,

Please take a look at the Ron Paul Revolution. Dr. Paul hasn't won any popular votes, and the establishment figures in the county and state GOP organizations are playing dirty tricks, but Ron Paul people are making serious inroads. They are taking over the local power structure of the GOP. They are now in positions of authority and respect. They establish a party platform in their area and decide, more or less, who gets support from the party in elections and in ballot initiatives.

So I guess I'm agreeing that many, many elections are rigged. But elections are not the lone source of power in our political system. If we put our people on the inside, we will have power. If we give up on "the system" and stay on the outside, it will remain a system leveraged to continue our dispossession.

News - Tinley Park, IL Patch ?

I wish I could be a modern day Rip Van Winkle and take a fifty year nap or so to see if taking things over from the inside could realistically work ..... maybe I should take a century siesta.

Just one more idea that came to mind with Memorial Day this weekend. Were any of our people who got attacked veterans? If so, we need to use that to our advantage. Whoever that veteran might be at the event needs to go find the media and say how he's just a patriotic American doing what's right for the country. That's hard to smear and malign.

Don't post the time and date or your private gathering on an international Neo Nazi forum that harbors hostile non white members in an opposing view forum.

Barring a collapse of the system, it's the ONLY thing that will work. We can't count on it all crumbling in time to save our people. WNs, survivalists, and goldbugs have been predicting that the US government will spontaneously combust since the 1980s or sooner. They should have been joining the GOP and taking it over. Ron Paul did it in the 1970s. Everyone else, for the most part, went into a bunker and did nothing.

Originally Posted by FriendofRPO

I wish I could be a modern day Rip Van Winkel and take a fifty year nap or so to see if taking things over from the inside could realistically work ..... maybe I should take century siesta.

I agree with WGS that a form of political 'infiltration' is a good policy for getting our people into the right places and right pubic forums such as School Boards, City Councilman, any position, that's perceived as middle class and legitimate that would give the individual nationalist a greater respectability, thus voice, in gaining support for those issues important to us.

I've often thought that those opposing us would eventually reveal their left-wing hand in the event of any success we might achieve, making resistance on their part an actual plus for our efforts in having them show the public what's really in control of our government at all levels of our society. But first, we have to have 'Success''!

I would also make the suggestion, that the word 'ZOG' be minimized, if not almost completely eliminated from our postings, in that the general public will either be confused to its actual meaning, or worse, associate it with the more unsavory and less professional groups within the nationalist movement.

I've used the term 'Zionist Christians' for instance in describing Christians, who mostly through their own ignorance of Jewish History, support virtually all Jews as well as the state of Israel without question. But 'ZOG' (Zionist Occupied Government), is in my opinion, too ambiguous, if not hyperbola in describing the various forces that we're up against, in which many of them may oppose the state of Israel.

For much of the public that has heard the term 'ZOG',they've gotten it from the leftest media and the SPLC propaganda machine that has often associated the word with Nazis, Skinheads, KKK, and others, who I'm sure consist of some good White folks, most of whom we have many things in common. But if White News Now and the A3P is to try and gain as much support from the middle class White people of this country, it's probably a word we should downplay, or at least find a more acceptable word or phrase that would better describe this present government.

Just trying to briefly describe what 'ZOG' is to someone unfamiliar with it, would divert too much time and energy away from more pressing matters.

I'll be most delighted to cease using the term ZOG if you can please give me a better acronym or shorthand term to describe the degenerate, repressive tyranny which has been running the American show since ..... well since FDR for sure, and probably the nitwit Wilson who was "Col." House's Charlie McCarthy and gofer .....



Like "wog" of Whitehall yore, we can start calling the ZOGists "Whigs," "Morlocks," or "Eskimeaux," or something else ever so cute, that becomes the accepted term for the vile, repulsive rats which everybody understands.


Why on earth should we accomodate to our enemies' sensibilities and desires? They call all WNs "Nazis" ..... really anybody who stands up to them are "Nazis" like the current Persian President, the late Saddam, Pope Benedict XVI (and Pope Pius XII), Sen. Fulbright, Henry Ford, Lucky Lindy, Francisco Franco, Juan Peron, Vanessa Redgrave, Gen. U.S. Grant ...... et al., ad infinitum.


Please demonstrate to me how the American regime is NOT a zionist occupation gov't .... if I buy the explanation, I'll quit using the term ASAP.


I say call a spade a spade ....... do we live in Stalinist Russia? (actually people in Stalinist Russia were more free than Americanos .... as Solzhenitsyn used to say ...and he ought to know!)

If it's not the Truth that the American regime under whoever the figurehead is ... Obongo, 95 IQ Dubya, Billy Boy, etc., is ZOG, then please explain why it isn't so.

Otherwise I'll continue to use the text-friendly, economical, accurate and truthful term.


Look, I'm not tryin' to be provocative, or start useless fights ..............in fact, I'll try to 'minimize' my future use of the apt term .... but this censorship gig is for the birds and never works anyway. I know that using the phrase might (!) scare-off Joe Blow human-fawn (maybe it's the 'zionist' part that scares him) ... but it's not a now-ugly, vulgar pejorative or contemptuous epithet ....... like the "N" word.


The ZOGists themselves prance triumphantly, bragging about their awful power ....E.g.: http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan...-the-arabists/


I just don't see why I have to cover for them.

Originally Posted by FriendofRPO

What WGS proposes is all very "nice and good" but having seen ZOG up close and personally, so to speak, I have acquired a dim view of the Constitution being defended via early 21st century "constitutional" means.


By all means eschew anyone who advocates outright violence as an agent provocateur.... because he'll almost certainly be one.

Our enemies, blood enemies that is, are a lawless cabal, however........ there is nothing too evil, underhanded or illegal in their blackbags. They practice a morality of an entirely different type than ours .... which has allowed them to have their apparent, but short term, "victories."

They are, typically, purely reactionary ...... and while they are able to think 7 steps down the line ---- unlike most materialistic, dumbed-down, unrace-conscious Whites .... they cannot see 20 steps down the line and how their methods are rather counter-productive in the long term.

Since elections are invariably rigged and a complete joke, I simply don't see how, electorally, anything can change for the good. Sorry, but I gave up on the corrupt "system" years ago .... but I have certainly NOT given up on the innate genius of our oppressed people who will rise to the occasion when their civilizational backs are against the wall.


Please don't take this as any criticism of your movement .... perhaps I simply don't understand it well enough. And please don't think I'm some sort of pessimist ......... I'd be long dead if I was. I have a CERTAINTY everything will turn out OK in the end .... although many good people will, unfortunately, suffer along the hard way to come.

It is necessary for all White Nationalists and Pro-Liberty persons and groups to vigorously participate in all election campaigns regardless, of how honest they believe these elections to be!

The reason is that far more White people are paying attention to politics, and overreaching, dishonest government, at election time than at any other time! As a result of this it is possible to identify and recruit activists at political events, who could not otherwise be identified.

Even if it were the case that voting is totally dishonest, the campaign that leads up to the voting is NOT worthless. Such campaigns can, and if fact HAVE, resulted in revolutionary action, especially when the subsequent election was seen to be rigged!

Iconoclast

I can well understand your view point FriendofRPO, and my suggestion was just that, a 'suggestion', not "censorship". I myself would rather call those in Washington for instance 'Traitors', 'Internationalist', 'Enemies of 'The People', supporters of 'The New World Order' for instance. And I wouldn't deny that 'Zog' as you define it, does indeed exist, and that at one time the term was aptly used by WN. But that for the reasons I posted, in order to appeal to the 'ignorant' White masses, I still believe that it should be at least minimized in our appeal.

I'm personally not insulted or irritated by its use, only that it's omission be a possible Public Relations 'tactic' in an attempt in reaching more European Americans.

Regardless of which party position you hold in the latter part of the elections.... I would suggest each person find out which party in their local precinct is strongest and infiltrate the caucuses with friends and family and elect yourself as delegate. Why?

As delegate you are the one who decides who can even run in the elections. If you can set yourself as a state delegate you can help determine who even gets on the ballot and make sure they are conservative. YOu can put a WN as State Delegate of Both Democrat and Republican.... The truth is that state delegates of Both Democrat, Republican, Constitutionalist...should all be WN. Just send in a low profile WN to take up the position.....You don't have to worry about promoting anyone that is not A3P because if you are the State Delegate anyone who wants to run in the elections will find you, cater to you, wine and dine you for a vote. You can easily let them know you aren't going to put anyone on the ballot who supports amnesty or immigration. Once you have impacted the other opposing party you can turn around and vote for any A3P member you want when you get to the final elections and promote the A3P party all you want. It's not illegal in any way shape or form to jump back and forth as a chameleon from one party to another in order to influence the people within those parties.

That is exactly what political crime syndicates do.... you know, those Zionists that Alex Jones is always ranting about...they put their people in to infiltrate all the parties. It's effective, we should do the same.

Originally Posted by JamesinUSA

I can well understand your view point FriendofRPO, and my suggestion was just that, a 'suggestion', not "censorship". I myself would rather call those in Washington for instance 'Traitors', 'Internationalist', 'Enemies of 'The People', supporters of 'The New World Order' for instance. And I wouldn't deny that 'Zog' as you define it, does indeed exist, and that at one time the term was aptly used by WN. But that for the reasons I posted, in order to appeal to the 'ignorant' White masses, I still believe that it should be at least minimized in our appeal.

I'm personally not insulted or irritated by its use, only that it's omission be a possible Public Relations 'tactic' in an attempt in reaching more European Americans.

OK, I "get" it.

"Traitors" is OK, but presupposes "they" were once good, loyal or were somehow part of us .... which, of course, they NEVER were. Since they don't owe us allegiance, fealty, shared-values, etc., it just confuses things which is always to their chameleonlike benefit ......... maybe it's an apt term for psuedo-White ZOGist hirelings .

"Enemies of the People" is just too vague ..... it doesn't deal w/ their institutionalized, systemized power (over us!) and would seem to include all outlaws and crooks ... like child molesters, tax cheats, illegal aliens, negro gangsters, etc.

"Internationalist" is kinda vague, too, and conjures up an adversary far away in some skyscraper. WN is "internationalist" in a certain respect, too.

NWO is good, I guess, but it's limited. Popularly, people think NWO are just some fatcat bankers, cryptic freemasons or mere UN functionaries somewhere "out there" and doesn't have the direct immediacy of ZOG which oppresses us here and now ..... and every blasted day.

Keep trying, though, I'm all-ears. ZOG is just so apropos and fitting for our present tyranny .... it gets to the real point in a shorthand way ..... and if an anti challenges us, we can always say ...."Oh, no ... I just meant the chain-smoking King ZOG --- an Albanian muslim autocrat of yesteryear, who was also a really strange bird!" King Zog I of Albania | History Today


His Royal Majesty, the Late King Zog:



Here's his Parisian grave: