Thread: Chernobyl the Movie

Originally Posted by Astragoth

That plant in Fukushima literally had an earthquake centered underneath the plant. The odds of that are astronomical.

I asked that very question to someone in the know. He said because people don't want to live in the middle of nowhere.
I know it might be convenient to think that theres some massive conspiracy to kill us (there is).
But in a lot of cases I think its just simple stupidity.

The Earthquake was not even in Japan, it was offshore.

Nuclear power plants in America have been built in earthquake zones, and the odds that one of those will have an earthquake just as close as the Japanese earthquake is too probable to make them reasonable locations.

The same thing that happened at the GE Nuke Plant in Japan could happen to a GE Nuke Plant here in America.

Just having a failure of the electrical grid could trigger explosions just like the one at the GE Nuke Plant in Japan, and a failure of the electrical grid is expected to happen.

The design of those GE Nuclear Power Plants requires ONE MILLION GALLONS of WATER per MINUTE for cooling-- battery power and diesel generators will not pump that much coolant water for very long. When the grid goes down, the plant goes up!

One of the aftershocks literally went off underneath the plant. The USA and Japan are two different kettles of fish.
Nuclear power is actually fairly safe and clean.

Originally Posted by Astragoth

One of the aftershocks literally went off underneath the plant. The USA and Japan are two different kettles of fish.
Nuclear power is actually fairly safe and clean.

There is nothing clean about radiation.

The plan is to store radioactive materials for longer than recorded history. Why? How can anyone plan to store dangerous deadly materials for longer than recorded history? And that is just from this generation only. What if the next generation stores more radioactive materials, and the next, and the next and the next?

There has never been a safe nuclear power plant. If you imagine that one is safe, then that just means that you are not aware of what has gone on there. There is a long list of nuclear accidents that have been reported, and also a long list of the ones that have never been reported to the public (based on the fact that some of the classified reports have been leaked, but no one knows how many more have not been leaked).

Japan is half way around the world from America, but there is Japanese Radioactive fallout in America. It will be much worse when the source is a disaster like that here in America, and several are expected.

Sorry to break it to you but the greens are wrong about nuclear power as they are on most things.
Chernobyl was the result of terminal stupidity and a flat out bad design. Fukushima was the result
of unbelievable bad luck. If we could get the greens off our backs we'd have nuclear plants all over
and we would be in the middle east at all. Heck of a coincidence that, isn't it?

The Greens are Communist useful idiots.

There is NOTHING safe about radiation; there never was, there never will be.

Madam Curie's husband was observed to have radiation burns on his hands, and probably died of cancer.

Many of the scientists who worked on the first atomic bombs died of cancer; their families who lived with them in the radiation zone died of cancer. An undisclosed number of the military who were exposed to radiation tests died of cancer.

Many of the workers at the GE Plant in Japan already died.

Nuke plant workers in America have died (that does not get reported in the Media Mafia for some reason).

In America cancer is an epidemic, from radiation (and also from corporate toxins and the corporate destruction of the food supply).

Birth defects were almost unknown in America, before the radiation exposures and corporate interference.

The coming nuke plant disasters are going to cause mass sterilization, and mass birth defects among the children that are born.

Nuclear Power = Genocide

There is NOTHING safe about radiation; there never was, there never will be.

Its called engineering. Fire isn't safe either but we use it. Neither is electricity safe. Nuclear power is safe if done properly.

Nuclear Power = Genocide

No its a way to free us from dependence on big oil. It also puts out a heck of a lot less pollution then coal plants.

One single microscopic radioactive particle, breathed in, or ingested with food or water, is enough to kill a person-- What is safe about that?

Radiation exposure is worse for Children, because they are still growing, which leads to all sorts of ailments and death.

The Children affected the most at Chernobyl were the Children less than a year old and those born after the event.

Goitre (commonly a precursor of thyroid cancer and autoimmune thyroid diseases) was diagnosed in 190 (17.6%) of the 1080 children, with the highest rate (29.4%) in children from the Gomel region (combined boys and girls).

Over 13% of the children had signs and symptoms of liver and gallbladder disease, and 11% suffered from glandular and lymph disease; chronic tonsillitis was diagnosed in almost 19% of the children. Morbidity showed a strong association with contamination in the areas where children lived and how long they had lived there.

The study showed that children aged under 1 year at the time of the disaster had about a 2.2 times higher risk of thyroid disease than children aged 1 year and older. Children born after the disaster, however, had about a 1.4 times higher risk than those older than 1 year at the time of the disaster. For lymphadenopathy the increased risk was about 1.5 times higher for children born after the disaster than for those aged 1 year or more at the time.

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Newborns affected most by Chernobyl disaster

One single microscopic radioactive particle, breathed in, or ingested with food or water, is enough to kill a person-- What is safe about that?

And touching a live electrical line can kill you too but we use electricity every day.
Chernobyl is what happens when you let morons build reactors. They have modern
reactor designs that literally cant melt down. They didn't even have a containment
dome on that reactor.

Nuclear Plant Leak in Southern California

Any danger to the Public? No of course not.

What leaked? Don't know.

How much of it leaked? Don't know.

Why did it leak? Don't know.

You are certain there is no risk and no danger at all? Yes, of course we are certain, we are always certain.

Originally Posted by Astragoth

And touching a live electrical line can kill you too but we use electricity every day.
Chernobyl is what happens when you let morons build reactors. They have modern
reactor designs that literally cant melt down. They didn't even have a containment
dome on that reactor.

What does that have to do with design flaws, especially KNOWN design flaws in operating Nuke Plants, like the GE Nuke Plants in America.

Or mechanical failure.

Or human error.

Or the grid going down (as it is expected to).

Or an earthquake.

Or a flood (a flood in America came very close to causing a disaster at a Nuke Plant last year).

Or a tidal wave.

Or intentional sabotage?

Nuclear materials have to be transported, any chance of a truck being in an accident, or a train derailing, or a plane crashing?

How about the nuclear materials that have been stolen and never retrieved?

Does someone who has blind faith in Nuclear Propaganda have a right to put all the rest of us, and all our descendants, at risk, for thousands of years to come?

Anti-nuclear hysteria went out of vogue 20 years ago.

Originally Posted by Astragoth

Anti-nuclear hysteria went out of vogue 20 years ago.

Germany is in the process of shutting all of their nuke plants down, and Japan might do the same.

At the same time, the Federal Government wants to build more of them here.

Germany is in the process of shutting all of their nuke plants down,and Japan might do the same.

Germany is so filled with the ant-nuke greens its not even funny. Japan is sitting on an earthquake zone.

At the same time, the Federal Government wants to build more of them here.

I hope they finally get serious about it we have a power system from the 50's.

Houston We Have a Problem, No Known Technology to Deal with Fukushima « Cutting the Gordian Knot

It was reported today that a U.S. firm named EnergySolutions, which has been involved in the decommissioning of 10 nuclear power plants now aims to garnering multiple contracts for aiding other companies in dismantling Fukushima. This is supposed to also include the spent fuel rods housed there. However we have a slight problem with this you will see as reported today in The Denki Shimbun (The Electric Daily News), from Japan.

“In connection with the decommissioning of Fukushima I units 1 – 4, EnergySolutions aims to handle the planning of the entire decommissioning process, including cost calculation, and win orders for multiple projects, including the treatment and volume reduction of radioactive waste and the extraction and storage of spent fuel and fuel debris (damaged fuel).

Concerning the extraction of fuel debris, which is considered the most challenging process, “There is no technology which may be directly applied,” said Morant. He added, however, that knowledge concerning the extraction of damaged fuel, which was obtained through the use of research reactors, and remote underwater cutting technology, as used for the Zion nuclear power station in the United States, may be applied to some extent.”

For almost 14 months now those of us who follow the Fukushima disaster closely via the alternative media have waited for someone to make a definitive statement as to how the authorities plan to deal with the ongoing meltdown of three reactors and the spent fuel rods housed there. While the main stream media all but ignores the biggest disaster of all time, alternative media sources have been weeks to as much as ten months ahead of corporate news in accurate reporting of events there. This should be the top story in the news every single day because it is the most important thing happening in the world not only right now but in all of recorded history. This is bigger than the global financial crisis, this is bigger than any election, riot, protest and every single war since the dawn of man. It is the definitive event of all human history. If we screw this up we’re all toast. Every single one of us.

One thing that has been suspiciously missing in statements about Fukushima from Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), the Japanse government, the U.S. government or even the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is any mention of a planned response. All that is reported scant as it is, are occasional responses to one downplayed crisis after another and without any forward looking guidance or direction. No one has been willing to tell us what the plan is!

Today it has finally been admitted, a fact that many of us have known since the beginning of this nightmare, that there is no strategy and there is no real plan to deal with Fukushima. Here we sit over a year into this thing, radiation washing and raining across the globe and just now it’s being revealed to the greater public that there is no technology developed to handle the situation. They are flying by the seat of their pants and hope to basically figure it out as they go along. What may be horrifying to the majority of the public left unawares is the fact that in the past year there really has been no progress made at Fukushima. Most people probably assume that since it’s not in the news that everything has somehow turned out ok or that it’s been taken care of. Nothing has improved and things have only gotten worse as time has gone along. The place looks like the bombed out war zone it did just following the tsunami, the melt down of three reactors and the resultant massive hydrogen explosion which basically ripped the nuclear power plant apart. That event sent tremendous amounts of radioactive substances into the air and still does with each and every passing second. It rains down on Japan, the U.S., Canada, Europe, all the way back to Asia and now there are even reports of radioactive hot spots in the Southern Hemisphere. The mix includes cesium, iodine, strontium, plutonium and now this unforeseen event has probably produced something which never existed before, endofullerene buckey balls making it possible for uranium to be carried through the air as easily as pollen.

There's more to the article in the link above.

Nuclear Engineers

There is something curious about the opinions of Nuclear Engineers.

Nuclear Engineers have to spend a lot of money and time getting degrees and certifications, in return they are very (overly) paid to design, build, and sell, Nuclear Power Plants.

The Nuclear Engineers who are on a payroll earning big fat checks, all are solidly in favor maintaining the Nuclear Radiation Status Quo.

But some Nuclear Engineers, who have the same degrees, and worked doing the same jobs, but are no longer collecting those big fat Nuclear Power Checks, come forward and plainly say that:
Nuclear Power = Genocide

Pediatrician: “Homes full of the most grossly deformed children we have ever seen in the history of pediatrics — all around Chernobyl” (VIDEO)

Originally Posted by Astragoth

Germany is so filled with the ant-nuke greens its not even funny. Japan is sitting on an earthquake zone.

I hope they finally get serious about it we have a power system from the 50's.

It was not the Loony Leftist Greens (Communists) that stepped forward and demanded that NUCLEAR POWER END in Germany, it was the Parents and Grandparents of German Children who demanded it! God bless them!

What about Nuke Plants in America sitting on earthquake zones?

And flood zones.

And on the shore in tidal wave zones and storm zones?

And near large population centers where an "accident" can not be allowed to happen, not under any circumstances.

Not one single Nuke Plant in America is situated in a safe zone where an accident is not likely to happen and a safe distance away from our People where an accident would not be a terrible disaster.

From the quote in Tom Smith's post about the GE Nuke Plant disaster.

This should be the top story in the news every single day because it is the most important thing happening in the world not only right now but in all of recorded history.

This is bigger than the global financial crisis, this is bigger than any election, riot, protest and every single war since the dawn of man.

It is the definitive event of all human history.

If we screw this up we’re all toast. Every single one of us.

All of the Nuclear Events so far have been minor.

In a real uncontrolled Nuclear Disaster (and several are expected) most of the survivors will be made sterile and will never produce children. Among those who are able to produce children, most of those children will either die young of a cancer (never producing children) or will be so horribly deformed that they should not produce children.

A real nuclear disaster will bring an end to Human Civilization, with few survivors left to start over.

It boggles Man's imagination to contemplate anything more insane that nuclear power.