Thread: Strange Tales of the Holocaust, II

A strange early Tale of the Holocaust:

The jews started collecting “Survivor tales” very shortly after the war ended. I call them the “Early tales.” Most of the Early tales were told in the first decade following the war. There was a dearth of new tales until the TV mini-series “Holocaust” in 1970 shook loose a few holdouts, who came forth with stories, but the real start of the “Modern tales” was Shindler’s list,in 1992. Following the release of that movie, hundreds of “Survivors” surfaced with tales they said they had been keeping secret for half a century.

The Modern tales are the most exciting tales, since they incorporate many of the scenes of the TV series and the movies. Although the modern tales are much more entertaining, with goolie-gnashing dogs, people hiding in privy sub-basements and eating out of their poop bowls, the early tales have much to teach us.

Nathan Finkel told his tale to Professor David Boder in 1946. Nathan lived in Eastern Poland when the war started, but he fled to Western Poland to get away from the Russians. In Western Poland the Germans started persecuting the jews. Within six months after the war started, all the jews had been taken to work camps. All except for 17,000 who were marched out of town and shot and buried in a mass grave. Nathan said the Ukrainians did all the dirty work. No survivors of the shootings have come forth, which tells us something of the comparative efficacy of a bullet to the brain, as opposed to gassing with insecticide.

Nathan and his brother were taken to the Gross Rosen camp, where they were subjected to holocausting by work. Nathan had to work the entire duration of the war, first in Gross Rosen, then in Buchenwald.

Nathan says the food was bad and the work was hard, but he said nothing of SS men beating babies brains out, catching them on the tips of their bayonets, or siccing gonad-biting dogs on the jews.

In fact, Nathan comes awfully close to outright “Holocaust denial,” in telling the professor about the college he was then attending---this is a verbatim quote:

“Maybe all my suspiciousness, but since I know that there are Ukrainians here, that there are Lithuanians here. They were our killers, because the Germans didn't kill us, but only the Ukrainians and the Lithuanians, and all.”

http://voices.iit.edu/interview?doc=...lay=finkelN_en

This man spent the entire war in German camps, and saw NO jews killed by the Germans! If Nathan told his tale in Germany today, he could face several years in a German prison.

Unlike modern Tales of the Holocaust, Nathan’s story contains no blatant obvious lies or physical impossibilities. Not once does he make his German captors appear to be inhuman ghouls, or himself a super-hero whose survival was “A miracle.’

In fact, Nathan’s tale sounds like the tale of someone who spent 5 years as an internee in a forced labor camp. The Holocaust Museum would never send David to tell his tale to school children.

The tales have come a long way in recent years, as we shall see.

Originally Posted by Edmund Ruffin

We have suffered a setback on this thread. I was editing it and I accidentally deleted the entire thread, when I was trying to delete a single post. This is the risk you take when you let rank amateurs play with high tech equipment.

That’s the bad news. The good news is that Tom Smith, a Senior Mod who knows how to work these dang computers, is going to restore the thread. We will get it all back, but it will take several days to get the first part of it back, and weeks to get it all back. Tom Smith works for a living, and has only limited time to give to the task. But it will be done.

The way I see it....It's no big deal, only a minor setback, I mean it's not like we are ever going to run out of outlandish stories as told by alleged survivors.

Let us start with the following film.....

8,000,000 European Jews survived the Holocaust


From an interview Norman Finkelstein gave in 2000:

"The official number of Holocaust survivors the Israeli government now gives is a million. Or 960,000, to be exact. At the same time Jewish organizations have been claiming, since the early '90s, that 10,000 die each month. So that would mean that in 1990 there were 2 million survivors left. In 1990, not more that a quarter could be alive from World War II. That means 8 million in May 1945. Well, there were fewer than 8 million Jews in all of Nazi-occupied Europe. In other words, if these numbers are correct, the Holocaust didn't happen. As my mother used to say, if everyone who claims to be a Holocaust survivor actually is one, who did Hitler kill?"

source

One of the Holocaust survivors at the US Holocaust Museum is Goldie Gendelman. Goldie lived in Poland, where her father owned a shoe factory. In 1937, two years before the first German set foot in Poland, Goldie’s family emigrated to Cuba, where they stayed until 1947.

In 1947, they went to Miami, but, unable to find work there, they went on to Brooklyn, where they settled. Goldie, who probably never saw a German until long after Hitler was dead, is a Survivor of the Nazi Holocaust. We know she is a survivor, because the Holocaust Museum says she is. http://www.ushmm.org/remembrance/sur...ffairs/memory/

Nazi bloodstain experts



Nazi Death Camp: Sobibor survivor Moshe Bahi heard
of a remarkable bloodstain in the gas chamber:

The bloodstain could not be removed by cleaning or scraping

Experts came in (Bloodstain experts?) and advised the stain had
been caused by the blood of child birth mingling with poison gas

Floorboards in the gas chamber had to be replaced, as they
contained fragments of human cheeks, hands and ears





Sobibór, Martyrdom and Revolt: Documents and Testimonies (1980)
Miriam Novitch

Yaacov Handali, on the Vad Yashem's youtube channel,
tells us the Nazis were bottom inspectors

"It was important to see if there was no flesh on the buttocks.
If the buttocks were flat it meant that the man was becoming
a Muselmann and wasn't strong enough to work."

Elsie V. was a Czech Jew, she was forced by the Nazis into the Theresienstadt ghetto/concentration camp.


After two days in Theresienstadt, where they were forced to sleep on the stone floor, share the toilet-bucket, and had no fresh water, they were given soap to wash with, but it had poison in it, which gave them diarrhea, many people were killed.

At the camp the Nazis took her, inflicting a hysterectomy and breast reduction on her without any anesthesia.

The pain without anesthesia was so great she passed out, and was left with an incision area that became infected and raw throughout her imprisonment.

They would beat her about her infection area to give even greater pain.

http://www.remember.org/witness/elsiev.html


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Hitler personally holocausted my father




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Eva Olsson a survivor of Auschwitz on the bread made
from wood and human bone soup served there:

"Olsson remembers the twice daily rations at Auschwitz – a slice of bread that was
70 per cent sawdust, a cup of black coffee, a mug of potato peel or turnip peel
soup and, occasionally, the dreaded “surprise soup” in which swam bits of
bone and tufts of human hair."

http://jewishottawa.com/page.aspx?id=221245

Bearing witness: 'My name is Abe Katz, and I'm a survivor'

Bearing witness: 'My name is Abe Katz, and I'm a survivor' | Deseret News

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The Germans used Auschwitz to sort the Jews and send them to other camps. Katz's job there was to cut down trees, which the Germans used to build huge bonfires.

Then, at gunpoint, the soldiers forced hundreds of Gypsies into the fires to burn alive.

Katz and the others were forced to watch. "The screams, the cries, the smell — the smell of burning human flesh. No one can understand who hasn't experienced that."

Quotes from the 1995 book Escape from Sobibor regarding SS Sergeant Paul Groth


"He'd order four Jews to carry him around the yard like a king while he'd drop burning paper on their heads."


"[H]e'd make prisoners jump from roofs with umbrellas, or scale roof beams until they fell to the floor."


"[H]e'd order a thin prisoner to gulp vodka and eat two pounds of sausage within minutes. They he'd
force open the Jew's mouth and urinate in it, roaring with laughter as the prisoner retched in the snow."

The Glasgow Herald - Mar 11, 1987

Twenty-one of the sainted survivors have petitioned Facebook to ban “Holocaust Denial” from Facebook. They contend that disputing the yarns they spin for our school children is not “Free speech.” http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.as...JLnF&b=7548639

They say that questioning the veracity of their tales is hateful propaganda and lies. This thread is our effort to, as Jefferson said in the Declaration of Independence, “Let facts be presented to a candid world.” Let the reader decide who is disseminating hateful propaganda.

Renee Firestone is one of the signers of the petition to Facebook. Renee is one of the star “Survivor witnesses,” speaking all over the country to school children, but you can’t find any details of her story in the press reports of her performances. So I had to go to Youtube to get her story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2X7-...eature=related.

Renee is another jew who was “Double holocausted,’ first by the Hungarians, then by the evil Germans.

Renee said twice that her father and other male relatives were taken to “Forced labor camps.” Not “Death camps” mind you, but forced labor camps.

The Hungarians started holocausting the family very early. The Hungarians arrested her brother, charging him with being a communist agitator. They beat him. Her father bribed the Hungarians to turn her brother loose. He was innocent, of course.

In 1940 they knew that jews were being shot and buried in mass graves in Poland. In 1944, her family were put into a cattle car in Hungary, with 120 people in on car. There was hardly any air in the cattle car, and the 120 people had only one poop bucket, and many people suffocated in the cattle car. They had no food or WATER for the entire three days.

The Germans pounded on the wall of the car and demanded the jews turn over their money and valuables. One old woman took her gold locket our of her coat lining an handed it out through the slats of the cattle car to the German. Renee does not explain why the space between the slats of the cattle car, which allowed the old woman to reach her locket to the Germans did not admit enough air to keep the jews inside from suffocating.

When they exited the dark of the cattle car, their eyes were blinded by the daylight. Obviously the spaces between the slats did not allow any light to enter.
This is a World War II era cattle car. Renee says it was dark and airless in a cattle car. Has Renee ever even seen a cattle car?

When they got to Auschwitz, the first person they met was—you guessed it---Dr. Mengele, who sent Renee and her sister to the right and her mother to the left.

Then Renee and her sister were taken into a room to undress for their shower. In the undressing room, there were SS guards with dogs, which growled at the jewesses as they undressed.

Then they were taken into the shower room, where the showers emitted---water!

The dogs did not take a shower with the jewesses. We are not told why the dogs were necessary in the undressing room, but not in the showers. After they showered, their heads were shaved and they were given plain old dresses. No underwear or shoes, just dresses. I know my gentile readers will wonder how someone survives a winter north of 50 degrees latitude in an unheated barracks with only a thin dress on, but, hey, don’t ask me, because it ain’t my story!

Then Renee asked the jewess capo, who was helping the evil Germans holocaust her fellow jews, when she would be reunited with her parents. Here we learn that the Holocaust Museum and all the leading jew historians lied to us about the gassing being kept secret until the jews were in the gas chamber. The capo pointed to the crematorium chimney, which was belching flame and smoke, and told Renee:” See that smoke. That’s your parents. When you go up the chimney, then you will be reunited with your parents.”

Renee said she had no idea what the woman meant by that!

To be continued......

Jew soap also available perfumed, for the fräuleins



The Canadian Jewish Chronicle - Oct 4, 1946




The Palm Beach Post - Jan 17, 1943

2,000,000 Jews killed by injection of bubbles


Article from the Ottawa Citizen, November 25, 1942


Hitler ordered the extermination of all Jews in Europe in 1942

Nazis paying 50 Reichmarks for exhumed corpses to make soap

100 men an hour can be killed by injecting bubbles in the neck



Ottawa Citizen - Nov 25, 1942

Originally Posted by Edmund Ruffin

Remember, this is NOT a holocaust denial thread! We are not here to argue how long it takes Zyklon B to vaporize at 10 degrees, or how many adults can fit in a cattle car. We are here to post the “Survivors” tales, and let them speak for themselves. If readers come to doubt the official story as a result of reading the tales of the sainted survivors, that’s the problem of the folks who spun the yarns, and not of we who reproduce them.

I agree with Professor Norman Finkelstein, the son of two jewish survivors of German concentration camps, when he says that given the outlandishness of many of the “Survivor testimonies,” the real question is, “Why are there not more deniers?”

Yes, also I agree with
Britain's chief rabbi, Immanuel Jakobovits,who has accurately described the Holocaust campaign as "an entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers, film-makers, monument builders, muse-um planners and even politicians." He added that some rabbis and theologians are "partners in this big business.

Boys and Girls,you can discover a good question you might ask yourself from time to time is who profits.

Nazis made Jews into soap, glue & train oil

The Victoria Advocate - Dec 2, 1942

In response to the article posted above by Robert Vincert, we have convergence of evidence in the form of testimony from Max Garcia.

max tells us he was taken to the Auschwitz death Camp. The evil nazis had gassed max's sister the year before at Auschwitz, but max thought he was going to work.

Max confirms that Jewish girls were used as prostitutes for Jewish camp prisoners, and that the evil nazis had a swimming pool for the prisoners.....except the pool was really a water pond for fire.

Max also tells us that he got sick in the Death Camp, and would have died.....except he went to the Death camp hospital, where he was healed by the same people who were trying to gas him!

http://www.tellingstories.org/holoca...cia/index.html