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    Default Tuskegee Airmen Did Lose Bombers

    (Article reprinted with permission.)

    Tuskegee Airmen Did Lose Bombers

    by James Buchanan

    A Washington Post article reports “At least 25 bombers being escorted by the Tuskegee Airmen over Europe during World War II were shot down by enemy aircraft, according to a new Air Force report. The report contradicts the legend that the famed black aviators never lost a plane to fire from enemy aircraft. But historian William Holton said the discovery of lost bombers doesn’t tarnish the unit’s record.”


    Tuskegee pilots were mulattoes with minimal African ancestry.

    Excuse me. Yes it does tarnish that unit’s record. Only a truly delusional liberal could claim that a perfect record and a flawed record were somehow “equal.” For decades I remember hearing PC propagandists on the History Channel bragging about how the (all Black) Tuskegee Airmen never lost a bomber during World War Two. There was even a movie made with this flawed premise.

    I always figured that the Germans must have been concentrating their few remaining fighters including the Me262 jet fighters over the most critical industries and the Tuskegee pilots weren’t trusted to fly escort for any really important bombing missions.

    Still, I was suspicious that they were claiming zero losses. So it finally comes out that they did have losses -at least 25 bombers shot down by enemy fighters. For every bomber shot down, there are usually several badly shot up. It’s probably safe to assume at least 100 bombers were damaged.
    We had to wait 62 years after the war, but the truth finally came out on this issue. I wonder how long it will take for someone to do an analysis to determine if the Tuskegee airmen did a below average job compared to the White fighter pilots. Don’t hold your breath for the History Channel to admit this.

    One interesting thing to note is that the Tuskegee airmen lost zero fighter planes even though they lost 25 bombers that they were supposed to be protecting. Usually there will be a few fighter plane losses to go along with the bomber losses –assuming the fighter pilots were making a serious effort to protect the bombers. A loss of zero escort fighters is a little suspicious.

    The 1,000 Tuskegee airmen claimed a total of 100 enemy planes shot down. Given the high number of poorly trained German teenagers sent up in obsolete fighters at the end of the war, this could be entirely possible. Shooting down a total amateur and fighting it out with the more experienced German pilots are two completely different things. The lack of fighter losses suggests that they ran away when any good German pilots turned up. One German fighter pilot, Erich Hartmann, shot down 352 planes during the war —over three times the total claimed by 1,000 Negro fighter pilots.

    I’m sure a lot of White people had considerable respect for those Black fighters pilots and thought that they were nice, honest model citizens. How come not one of them ever spoke up in the various war documentaries to admit that they lost some bombers? Seems like they all went right along with the PC lies.

    The Tuskegee airmen were part of an experiment by the ultra-liberal FDR. It’s no great surprise that a cloud of dishonesty surrounded that experiment long after the war was over.

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    Default Re: Tuskegee Airmen Did Lose Bombers

    "One interesting thing to note is that the Tuskegee airmen lost zero fighter planes"

    False: Wikipedia shows 150 pilots lost. HERE is a table showing (some or all?) 332 Fighter Group losses. Note that, of the losses for known reasons, the loss from AA fire outnumbers the loss from Enemy Aircraft by over 2 to 1. This is consistent with the fact that toward the end of the war, the Germans were desperately short of fuel for aircraft, but they were very good with AA.

    We need to make sure that all reports on WNN are accurate.


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    The skill and value of the Black pilots was measured best by air-to-air fighting and how well they protected the bombers from German fighters.

    The myth that no bombers under their protection were lost to enemy fighters was PC propaganda that went unchallenged for decades. (I never heard any historian admit that the Tuskegee Airmen lost fighters to the Germans, which also happened.)

    There's nothing a fight pilot can do about a bomber being shot down by anti-aircraft artillery.

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    This new information dispels the notion that Affirmative Action began in the 1960s. Clearly the jewish press was working for the african community well before then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pk1225 View Post
    This new information dispels the notion that Affirmative Action began in the 1960s. Clearly the jewish press was working for the african community well before then.
    Oh absolutely! There were a lot of examples of Blacks getting jobs because they were Black long before the official racial quota programs that started in the early 70s.

    FDR was a huge liberal if not a closet Communist. He surrounded himself with Jewish advisers.

    In a way, he was doing history a favor by creating these all-Black units. The Black tank units were failures and men like Patton said so in no uncertain terms.

    They covered up the record of the Tuskegee Airmen for over six decades.

    Occasionally there will be a Black soldier who will perform well, but for every one of those, you probably have ten slackers and deserters. When I was in the Army, we had Blacks who were coerced into joining the Army by a judge versus going to jail. So patriotic young Whites got to share a barracks with Blacks, who by all rights should have been in jail, not the Army. Everything that was left unguarded for even a moment tended to get stolen, and the Blacks loved to provoke fights. Diversity was a problem, not a strength.

    A friend's father told me a story about Black women being hired as secretaries by some federal agency in the 1950s. All the stuff they produced was full of typos and misspellings. So what did the Feds do? They hired White secretaries to come in on a night shift and re-type all the garbage, the Black secretaries were producing. That's our tax dollars in action.

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