Thread: A3P - Florida

Originally Posted by Tvoi_Vrag

On the website it says A3P current membership policy is that of free association and is not race restricted.

If you want to be politically successful on behalf of our cause (or any cause), you have to know what works politically. If you don't want to become skilled in the arts of practical politics, you'll end up wasting your time and ruining your reputation while getting nowhere. The fact that a political party has formed to represent the rights and group interests of European Americans should be enough to merit our support.

Furthermore, policies of free association in place of ridiculous "anti-discrimination" laws would work far better than forced integration or segregation. By right, the people should have the freedom to choose with whom they associate. Allowing human beings to behave in a way which reflects our tribal nature leads to far more harmonious societal outcomes, as restricting freedom can only worsen the human condition. By trying to work around our innate tendencies, we make society less happy and less free. As realists, we would enact laws which compliment human nature and would remove laws which attempt to circumvent it.

After only decades of living under "multiculturalism", world leaders have begun to recognize it as a failed social experiment. Instead of ushering in a new age of equality, peace, prosperity, and brotherhood as promised ("diversity is our greatest strength!"), it has created conflict, tension, destroyed education, and has caused the breakup of once cohesive national communities throughout the West (diversity is instead perhaps our greatest weakness). The dismantling of multicultural societies in favor of kinship based societies is but an inherent mechanism of tribal defense and survival. World history proves that balkanization is humanity's natural backlash against multiculturalization. By Nature, people seek not to erase or ignore differences, but acknowledge differences and find comfort in commonality.

We would do well to avoid being associated with the bad feelings caused by a concept like forced segregation. It's actually a good thing that we would never make it illegal for different groups to interact with one another. Naturally, we are attracted to similarity and seek it out whenever we are able. In terms of demography, we don't have to tell whites to stick together; like any other people, we already do it on our own. As always, liberty is the answer to our problems.

To win our people's support we have to be more than a just political party or a civil rights movement. We have to a be the beacon of peace, security, and freedom!

"All things are at a state of war." Sun Tzu

We can only go to political war with an army we have and not the one we wish to have. Our goal is to first mass the numbers. There is only one way to do this.

Originally Posted by David

"All things are at a state of war." Sun Tzu

We can only go to political war with an army we have and not the one we wish to have. Our goal is to first mass the numbers. There is only one way to do this.

How is that working out?

I don't get involved in mainstream politics very much... hell I never even registered to vote.

Originally Posted by Tvoi_Vrag

How is that working out?

I don't get involved in mainstream politics very much... hell I never even registered to vote.

Abstaining from voting is something you have in common with most people. They just simply can't be bothered to vote for any of the politicians because "they're all the same". Quite the opposite of being 'lemmings', most people now distrust the mainstream media and the political establishment. The people's growing suspicion of our masters is the reason why 'open source' information is preferred over controlled outlets. Independent media like WhiteNewsNow is the reason why newspapers and TV stations are dying, and now even cable news is dying too. To establishment outsiders, this is only encouraging.

The percentage of people who can vote and actually do is quite small. Most voters are very easily led and make their choices based on slick campaign propaganda and empty promises. The people who know how to professionally run political campaigns are talented strategic thinkers who understand both individual and group psychology. Political campaigns are merely marketing campaigns, and good politicians are good marketers. For our ideas to catch on, we have to become good marketers.

Although we'd prefer to eschew politics because of its deeply corrupt nature and the army of unscrupulous characters it attracts, white nationalists in America have made a big mistake in doing so. To think we can change our society without politics is indulgence in pure fantasy. Even if the United States collapses and its disparate regions break apart into self ruling states as many warn, we would still have to organize politically to survive, but by that time it would be too late. We need a successful political movement that's already recognized as legitimately representing a sizable constituency before any such collapse happens. Powerlessness never helps anyone, and if we are without power for much longer, it alone will be our cause of death.

We need to get organized now. Nobody else will do it for us.

Originally Posted by European American

Abstaining from voting is something you have in common with most people. They just simply can't be bothered to vote for any of the politicians because "they're all the same". Quite the opposite of being 'lemmings', most people now distrust the mainstream media and the political establishment. The people's growing suspicion of our masters is the reason why 'open source' information is preferred over controlled outlets. Independent media like WhiteNewsNow is the reason why newspapers and TV stations are dying, and now even cable news is dying too. To establishment outsiders, this is only encouraging.

The percentage of people who can vote and actually do is quite small. Most voters are very easily led and make their choices based on slick campaign propaganda and empty promises. The people who know how to professionally run political campaigns are talented strategic thinkers who understand both individual and group psychology. Political campaigns are merely marketing campaigns, and good politicians are good marketers. For our ideas to catch on, we have to become good marketers.

Although we'd prefer to eschew politics because of its deeply corrupt nature and the army of unscrupulous characters it attracts, white nationalists in America have made a big mistake in doing so. To think we can change our society without politics is an indulgence in pure fantasy. Even if the United States collapses and its many disparate regions break apart into self ruling states as many warn, we would still have to organize politically to survive, but by that time it would be too late. We need a successful political movement that's already recognized as legitimately representing a sizable constituency before any such collapse happens. Powerlessness never helps anyone, and if we are without power for much longer, it alone will be our cause of death.

We need to get organized now. Nobody else will do it for us.

I don't vote because I don't believe the system to be legitimate. If I were to vote it would be me giving my stamp of approval and thus saying it is legitimate.

Whether or not you "believe" the system to be legitimate, it's the only system we have. The only world in which we can make a difference is the one in which we actually live.

It's not enough just to believe in the right things. We have to do the right things. Every one of us has the duty to support or participate in building a real movement. If we aren't doing that, we have no right to complain. It all begins with us!

Originally Posted by Tvoi_Vrag

On the website it says A3P current membership policy is that of free association and is not race restricted.

I took a gander at the A3PFL site and was concerned with this as well.

Originally Posted by David

Wheel spinning takes our people nowhere. Putting a reflective NAACP mirror in their face reveals their hypocrisy. Working within the laws we have on hand will in fact move us beyond the ditch other movements and parties are stuck in. This is the reality we are faced with.

Then I get a good answer.

Originally Posted by European American

If you want to be politically successful on behalf of our cause (or any cause), you have to know what works politically. If you don't want to become skilled in the arts of practical politics, you'll end up wasting your time and ruining your reputation while getting nowhere. The fact that a political party has formed to represent the rights and group interests of European Americans should be enough to merit our support.

Furthermore, policies of free association in place of ridiculous "anti-discrimination" laws would work far better than forced integration or segregation. By right, the people should have the freedom to choose with whom they associate. Allowing human beings to behave in a way which reflects our tribal nature leads to far more harmonious societal outcomes, as restricting freedom can only worsen the human condition. By trying to work around our innate tendencies, we make society less happy and less free. As realists, we would enact laws which compliment human nature and would remove laws which attempt to circumvent it.

After only decades of living under "multiculturalism", world leaders have begun to recognize it as a failed social experiment. Instead of ushering in a new age of peace, prosperity, and brotherhood as promised ("diversity is our greatest strength!"), it has created conflict, tension, and has caused the breakup of once cohesive national communities throughout the West (diversity is instead perhaps our greatest weakness). The dismantling of multicultural societies in favor of kinship based societies is but an inherent mechanism of tribal defense and survival. World history proves that balkanization is humanity's natural backlash against multiculturalization. By Nature, people seek not to erase or ignore differences, but acknowledge differences and find comfort in commonality.

We would do well to avoid being associated with the bad feelings a concept like forced segregation causes. It's actually a good thing that we would never make it illegal for different groups to interact with one another. Naturally, we are attracted to similarity and seek it out whenever we are able. In terms of demography, we don't have to tell whites to stick together; like any other people, we already do it on our own.

To win our people's support we have to be more than a just political party or a civil rights movement. We have to a be the beacon of peace, security, and freedom!

By allowing all races shows the hypocrisy in not allowing groups for the interests of Whites. But at first glance it does look a bit strange thinking this is a group for White people and seeing a non-White member. But at least now I understand the logic behind it.

Originally Posted by Tvoi_Vrag

How is that working out?

I don't get involved in mainstream politics very much... hell I never even registered to vote.

I have not registered to vote either. I've always thought that participating in the election process would just be like playing a game in which the rules are set against me.

Originally Posted by European American

Abstaining from voting is something you have in common with most people. They just simply can't be bothered to vote for any of the politicians because "they're all the same". Quite the opposite of being 'lemmings', most people now distrust the mainstream media and the political establishment. The people's growing suspicion of our masters is the reason why 'open source' information is preferred over controlled outlets. Independent media like WhiteNewsNow is the reason why newspapers and TV stations are dying, and now even cable news is dying too. To establishment outsiders, this is only encouraging.

The percentage of people who can vote and actually do is quite small. Most voters are very easily led and make their choices based on slick campaign propaganda and empty promises. The people who know how to professionally run political campaigns are talented strategic thinkers who understand both individual and group psychology. Political campaigns are merely marketing campaigns, and good politicians are good marketers. For our ideas to catch on, we have to become good marketers.

Although we'd prefer to eschew politics because of its deeply corrupt nature and the army of unscrupulous characters it attracts, white nationalists in America have made a big mistake in doing so. To think we can change our society without politics is purely fantastical indulgence. Even if the United States collapses and its many disparate regions break apart into self ruling states as many warn, we would still have to organize politically to survive, but by that time it would be too late. We need to have a successful political movement that's already recognized as legitimately representing a sizable constituency before any such collapse happens. Powerlessness never helps anyone and if we remain without power for much longer, it alone will be our cause of death.

We need to get organized now. Nobody else will do it for us.

I am starting to think this is probably the way we are going to protect our peoples interests. It is one thing to spread the ideas of WN, but this is how we are going to get things done. I plan on registering to vote ASAP.

Keep in mind folks, one of the big reasons the current POTUS is in office other than the mass media, is that grassroots programs got people to register and vote, even if it meant picking them up and taking them home afterwards. Granted we don't have funded organizations like ACORN to do this, we can still try our own grassroots approach. It got Harry Bertram on the ballot in WV this year, two people from this very forum were the tipping point in that endeavour. Granted many others had a lot of effort in it but, in the end if these two people hadn't made a sacrifice, Mr. Bertram would not have been on the ballot as an A3P candidate.

Originally Posted by Tom Smith

Keep in mind folks, one of the big reasons the current POTUS is in office other than the mass media, is that grassroots programs got people to register and vote, even if it meant picking them up and taking them home afterwards. Granted we don't have funded organizations like ACORN to do this, we can still try our own grassroots approach. It got Harry Bertram on the ballot in WV this year, two people from this very forum were the tipping point in that endeavour. Granted many others had a lot of effort in it but, in the end if these two people hadn't made a sacrifice, Mr. Bertram would not have been on the ballot as an A3P candidate.

I suppose I can help a bit. I have some friends that did PSYOPS in the military. They are WN and most likely willing to help

Originally Posted by European American

Whether or not you "believe" the system to be legitimate, it's the only system we have. The only world in which we can make a difference is the one in which we actually live.

It's not enough just to believe in the right things. We have to do the right things. Every one of us has the duty to support or participate in building a real movement. If we aren't doing that, we have no right to complain. It all begins with us!

I agree completely! I think when people look at how powerful the two main political parties are for example, it leaves one feeling rather helpless, if not overwhelmed, in ever being able to think that we can overcome what seems like insurmountable odds, but what's really difficult to overcome, is this prevailing attitude that many of our people have, such as, "I'm not going to waste my time voting", or that the "system is crooked"! We know the systems crooked, but, it's just as you say, "it's the only system we have."


There's probably no greater obstacles to our being able to achieve real progress than those we create in our own minds. The opposing candidates in the Democratic Party and the GOP aren't worried with those people who can't vote, or who won't vote, it's those who can and will, who really worries them. So for those who aren't registered to vote, please do so, so that we can start doing something, as opposed to doing nothing!

Originally Posted by Tvoi_Vrag

How is that working out?

Like many things at first, slowly. Right now, we're igniting the spark so our ideas might catch fire.

Originally Posted by Tvoi_Vrag

I don't get involved in mainstream politics very much... hell I never even registered to vote.

Complacency is acceptance of what one is given. Would you to accept the chains of slavery for you have invisible ones now? You need only to trade them in for the real ones of iron.

Register to vote is only one small step to having a say among many, becoming a member is taking a stand, and running on a platform is to guide the will into reality.

Originally Posted by Tvoi_Vrag

I don't vote because I don't believe the system to be legitimate. If I were to vote it would be me giving my stamp of approval and thus saying it is legitimate.

This is where only you can promote what is "legitimate" by creating a platform and running for elected office. The world will not come knocking on your door to say it is time to lead them if they have no idea who you are. To sit back only invites anarchy in a mess/breakdown after the fact.

Originally Posted by Straw

I took a gander at the A3PFL site and was concerned with this as well.

Here in FL we are still looking for more folks to get on with talking about the several local pages for addressing issues. I do not feel it is my place to usurp this message and want more WN FL to have a hand in working those messages. My opinion is only an element of one when we need to have a stronger body of words to convey the message of the whole.

This is just an update on the ballot status for A3P-FL, we have just revised and send back our paperwork to the state yesterday. All the listed boxes have been checked. Now we need to wait on the word and get folks lined up and send in their voter registration stuff to the Director here, who will be making out the Elector's listing. Anyone wanting to get in on the ground floor to put Merlin Miller on the Florida ballot needs to step up now as we only will have around 30 days to send in our Elector's listing.

Another update on the Florida situation for obtaining ballot access. The Assistant General Counsel, Gary J. Holland, Department of State has sent back a rejection letter to A3P-FL. He gave four points as to why A3P-FL was rejected. Of the four points, the first three are easy enough to make corrections; however, A3P-FL will have to choose a split path for the fourth point. The state will allow either a stand-alone party or a national affiliate, but not both. In consulting with FEC.gov this is also allowed, but not always the case:

Must a local party coordinate its activities with the state party?

Typically, yes. All FEC-registered local party committees within a state are presumed to be affiliated with the state party committee and, as a result, share the state committee's contribution limits. For that reason, the committees must keep in close contact to ensure that they stay within their shared limits. Local party committees wanting to establish their independence from the state committee should request an advisory opinion from the Commission. Our "Advisory Opinions" brochure describes that process.

Citation: Quick Answers - Party

In option #1, A3P-FL can "Affiliate" with the national organization, but the national organization must be registered with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) and have duly filed any and all paperwork and has been kept up-to-date. This will mean our Delegate procedure will require no less then 29 Electors for presidential campaigns.

Please note, that at this time, my research with the FEC which is a sunshine (publicly open for review) is stating that A3P national level is not duly registered and is still needing more compliance to meet FEC requirements, cite: American Third Position at FEC.gov. I see that the issue at FEC is a simple fix to refile, but only to check off box 5(d) whereas the committee is "NAT" and the the subordinate of "A3P".

In option #2, A3P-FL will not be an affiliated with the national party. This means we are "Stand-alone" and can get ballot access more readily for statewide and local candidates; however, A3P-FL for a presidential election will be required to have gained anywhere from 12,000 to 20,000 qualified signed petitions at a state charge @ $0.10 each counted petition. State or local candidates can either pay the fee or seek by signed petitions their local office based on state or local percentages which are much less, but still cost to obtain.

The benefit of #2 is that A3P-FL members can start registering voters as A3P and publicly seek petitions for our platform issues to put them to a direct vote or run candidates if we have to proper amount of signatures for either. This means our membership will have to be active at public venues; getting voters and putting out literature in face-to-face meetings.

As some of you may know, the Florida Supervisor of Election has stonewalled A3P-FL once more. I have updated the paperwork once again, but am still waiting on the one catch still not updated with the Federal Election Commission website. I know the FEC paperwork has been updated and I have everything I need to send in the paperwork once more. When the FEC website is updated, I can then send in our paperwork. The issue here is one of symbiosis since a state affiliate works off of the premiss that the national paperwork is filed on time and is kept up to date.

Once A3P-FL has legal stand ballot access we will need 29 folks (minimum) in Florida who are legally registered voters to file for the Merlin Miller campaign. Please let me know if you want to be a Miller Elector for 2012. We can talk from there to get your new voter's registration card reading A3P.

The new laws are restrictive enough and were passed by the Florida Legislators and not by voter's referendum. One way A3P-FL can affect future elections is to not only register voters as A3P, but to use the petition method to get nationalist agenda on the ballot before the tide floods in. This is no easy or free task, the cost for each petition to be counted is ten cents each valid name. If you have time to donate for registering voters or gathering signatures let me know or if time is a problem then consider helping with the cost, a single dollar gives us ten people so it goes a long way to meet our total needs.